[access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes

Hi Ibrahim,

Actually you are wrong.  System Access supports a limited number of Braille
displays that work using the HID interface, such as Handytech, but not as
much as other screen readers.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: Tuesday 11 May 2010 15:06
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes

Hi Saqib.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think system access supports 
braille displays.  It only provides speech and magnification options.

All the best, Ibrahim.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Saqib" <saqib@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes


> Hi Jacky. Wouldn't System Access be any good for you. I know that they are

> the poor relations of the three screen readers but SA is very good for the

> price and caters for all my computer needs successfully.
> Original message:
>> Hi Barry
>
>> As you have initiated the thread on this list, I will just echo my 
>> personal frustrations and say that I too am about to defect full-time to 
>> Window-Eyes for exactly the same reasons as yourself.  I would go further

>> by saying that I know at least three others who are doing likewise.
>
>> As you know, I am leaving Sight and Sound next week as an employee, and I

>> have no animosity towards my employers as I have enjoyed two very happy 
>> years with them.  But, as an end user, and a JAWS person for 11 years, I 
>> feel it is time to move because I am also against the practices of 
>> Freedom Scientific, the bugginess of the program itself, and its 
>> licensing gravy train.  There just comes a point when you feel enough is 
>> enough!
>
>> Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I'll remember them when I too hurl 
>> bad language at my PC, (smile).
>
>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> Braille Specialist
>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>> Welton House North Wing
>> Summerhouse Road
>> Moulton Park
>> Northampton
>> NN3 6WD
>> Tel: 01604 798024
>> Mob: 07887 883815
>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
>> Of Barry Toner
>> Sent: 11 May 2010 12:17
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
>
>> Hi all,
>
>> I started writing this late last night and ran out of steam.  I posted it

>> to the GWMICRO-INFO list under the thread of I've Something To Say.
>
>> It's not the best piece I've ever written but I wanted to share my 
>> experiences with you all as a long-term JAWS user.
>
>> Messege Starts
>
>> " I can also chime in on this thread with a personal tale.
>
>> I have been using Window Eyes on and off for around 6 years.
>
>> I lost my sight in an accident when I was18 years old.  I frustrated 
>> myself with Hal for about 2 years and then I found JAWS.  Whilst it did 
>> not replace being able to use Windows with sight it was a breath of fresh

>> air compared to Hal 4.2.  Especially when it came to surfing the 
>> Internet.  This would have been JAWS 3.7 I started with.
>
>> I've watched the decline of JAWS over the years in terms of problems not 
>> being fixed, new ones being introduced and generally allot of half-baked 
>> product development going through out onto the market.  Not to mention as

>> I see them very fluffy plug ins and the nightmare that has always existed

>> JAWS licensing.
>
>> Despite these failings I was not prepared to move outside of my comfort 
>> zone.  Even at the time when my peers where doing so and I would have 
>> most benefited from their support and vice versa.
>
>> In saying this I completed two Computer Science Degrees using JAWS. 
>> Though having learnt what I have in the past weeks things just as a fact 
>> would have been allot easier with Window Eyes.  What's that old saying 
>> though?  About heinsight being twenty twenty.
>
>> Just over three weeks back I decided I wanted to learn to use Window 
>> Eyes.
>> I didn't' say too much to friends who would only think that we'd been 
>> there before.  When they tried to get me to see the light, so to speak.
>
>> I sat down and thought how best to approach Window Eyes this time.
>> Something that would be different from previous half-hearted attempts to 
>> give the product a fair go.
>
>> So, I decided I would use Window Eyes and no other screen reader for 1 
>> full week.  No matter what task I needed to do on the computer.  I made a

>> commitment despite my tasks priority to use Window Eyes.  I was 
>> determined to learn how to do it with Window Eyes.
>
>> This was allot harder than it may sound.  Especially as I'm really not 
>> that much of a committed person when it comes to Window Eyes.  Or rather 
>> I wasn't.
>
>> So I unloaded JAWS and installed Win Eyes v7.11 onto my Windows 7 32Bit 
>> Desktop.
>
>> I really needed to make this a genuine attempt.  I decided to make it a 
>> social experiment instead of a hardcore, I'm going to do this and if I go

>> back to JAWS I've failed.  So I announced on my twitter and Face Book 
>> feeds what I was going to do.  I then sent updates several times a day 
>> including @gwmicro in the thread of the good, bad and ugly.
>
>
>> Let me tell you the language I through at the computer for the first 
>> three days was disgraceful!  But when I learned how to use the Mouse 
>> Keys, started to read sections of the excellently layed out manual, 
>> joined this list and discovered Script Central I started to get a  bit 
>> excited.
>
>> One of my main frustrations was the amount of times v7.11 would do odd 
>> things.  By this I mean it would clip words in Outlook 2K7.  Scripts 
>> would crash, Window Eyes would crash if set to load upon log-in.  I 
>> discovered that Window Eyes wasn't as infallible as the fan boys and 
>> girls made it out to be.  Oh yes and I got a healthy taster that no doubt

>> End_users I've supported as a Systems Engingeer have gotten from me a 
>> time or too.  That of, "uh that's weird"  "It doesnt' do it on my machine

>> like that".  This maybe true but it's not a helpful response!
>
>> So for me it's not been an experience of "The most stable Screen Reader".
>> JAWS for me still holds that trophy on my system.  Well, it would if it 
>> was still installed.
>
>> It's been over three weeks and I've not went back despite user error 
>> problems and bugs with Window Eyes.
>
>> Now, it is fair to say that a new user of a product will often make 
>> mistakes through just not knowing.  I'm not exceempt from this.  However,

>> there's allot going on in a person learning a new thing.  Whither that is

>> a computer program, folding lawndry etc.
>
>> So why might you ask despite the problems I had and in some cases like 
>> the clipping words didn't' I just do the easy thing and switch back? 
>> Simple, I'd decided I'd rather put up with some problems that can either 
>> be worked round or ignored until they are either fixed or I'm told of 
>> something I'm not doing to get Window Eyes to do what I want.  In doing 
>> so I get the wonderful functionality and fresh approach Window Eyes has 
>> given to my computing.  This compared to the stale product that did, 
>> serve me well for a time but has frankly become a bit of a farse in 
>> comparison.  I.E. JAWS.
>
>> I used to believe that JAWS and Window Eyes both had their place.  I 
>> believed this kept me nutral and made me unlike The Zellots, (as I saw 
>> them at the time), who sat in each camp throwing muck back and forth.
>
>> I find myself looking on at other people in my life who are using JAWS 
>> and struggling and want to cry out to them.  Look, you dont' need to 
>> carry on with those bad habits you learned with JAWS.  Tabbing all over 
>> the screen and not using keystrokes in say,and Installer Wizard of alt n 
>> for Next.
>
>> It's incredible the amount of JAWS users who are not aware of how to use 
>> the JAWS Cursor.  that's a real bug bear of mine now having used Window 
>> Eyes mouse Keys.  the fact you need to completely switch to a different 
>> mode then back to the PC Cursor mode.  no wonder people get confused!
>
>> I could detail my own feelings on a lengthy list of JAWS short comings 
>> not to mention the iresponsable way Freedom Scientific treat customers. 
>> I'd only be preaching to the crowd and end up falling into the camp of 
>> "My ones bigger than yours".
>
>> I'd like to think i can lead by example to people I know that use JAWS 
>> and I see struggling with the mindset it forces on people of the old and 
>> comfortable.  By letting them see my completley fresh approach and no 
>> longer fear of trying something new just for fun.  Sadly though I'm a 
>> geek and I believe most of my friends will discount what I'm doing as 
>> down to that.
>> rather than, "I could be having that much fun and productivity as well".
>
>> Trailing off a bit as I need to get out before the rain starts here!"
>
>> Barry Toner
>
>
>> BCS Belfast Branch
>> YPG Representative & Disability Group
>
>> http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=nav.10444
>
>
>
>> Contact me @
>
>> Professional: barry.toner@xxxxxxxxxx
>
>> Personal Email: barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>> MSN/Live: djpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>> AIM/FB:  barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>> TWITTER: dj_paddy
>
>> Skype: djpaddy
>
>> Mobile: (UK) +44 (0) 7921 611 253
>
>
>
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