[access-uk] Re: My experience with the Touch at the Apple store

Hi Jackie -

Thanks very much for doing that test for me, I really appreciate it.
I think I'm going to pass on the iPhone and go for the Touch, plus the IK500. Thanks for your input, as always, very informative and helpful -

Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experience with the Touch at the Apple store


Hi Andy

Like-for-like, the iPod Touch wins in my honest opinion.  But because of
your hearing difficulties, and the differences you and I pick up in high and
low end sounds, you might well think the N82 is better.  I don't use my
phones for music any more because of having a Nano and now the iPod Touch, I
just don't see the necessity to drain the phone's battery when I have a
dedicated player which is lightweight and just as portable.

I can't help you though regarding whether or not you go for the iPhone over
the iPod Touch.  Most people here seem to think the iPhone is worth buying
instead. But I want to get as much use out of my Nokia handsets with Talks and K-Reader, so the Touch was always a better option for me, and I find it pretty addictive! (smile). I will send you the docking-station article off list. If you put an iPhone or iPod Touch through that, you'll be cranking!!


Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns
J&M Work-Ability

jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.work-ability.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
ANDY COLLINS
Sent: 14 February 2011 18:40
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experience with the Touch at the Apple store

Hi Jackie -

Do you still have an N82 around anywhere? If so, and it's not too cheeky,
I'd really be keen to hear if the same track played on both it and the touch
really did pack out more umph on the Touch? When I was in the Apple store,
you know how it is, I was trying to have hands on, but the assistant, who
was pretty good really, also kept fiddling, and it might just be that
between us, we were preventing us hearing the full power of a music track
because voice over was also kicking in and out as he was fiddling with it,
and that action may well have just affected the VO volume without achieving
the max volume for music.

Thanks for the offer of your article on a docking station, I'd love to read
it, I always appreciate what you have to say, and your experiences.

Thanks -

Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experience with the Touch at the Apple store


Hi Andy

Obviously I can't comment on your hearing experience with the iPod Touch.
But I would say that it leaves the N82, N86 and anything else I've heard
on
a mobile for dead.  Again though I'm coming from a hearing perspective I
do
appreciate that.

I never wanted an iPhone, so when I got an iPod Touch, I thought: "Oh my
God, how am I going to use this thing".  Now, I just love it, and am so
enthusiastic about blind people using it that I would urge anyone thinking
about it to seriously consider making the move.  I've downloaded quite a
lot
of apps for mine now, most of which are accessible.  I think it's an
exciting world out there that, till now, we've been unable to tap into.

I can tell you that the docking-station I bought for my Nano last year
also
fits my iPod, and it really does have some clout! I wrote about it in
Access
IT last autumn, but if you are interested, I could send you it off list as
you can adjust bass and treble, and VoiceOver is awesome through it as
well
as music.

Glad you had some hands-on, and hope you decide to go for it if you can.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Cairns
J&M Work-Ability

jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.work-ability.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
ANDY COLLINS
Sent: 14 February 2011 16:20
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] My experience with the Touch at the Apple store

Hi Debbie and all -

Spent some time in my Apple store in Exeter today.

My experience with the IPod Touch was varied, bear in mind that sometimes
I
use hearing aids, and sometimes not, and that my hearing loss is in the
higher frequencies.

I found the female voice on the touch to be rather thin and tinny in
sound,
not sure if the tone can be changed, and in quite a noisy environment such as the store, it was quite difficult to hear using my hearing aids. When I
tried headphones [I had taken along a pair of in-ear Sennheisers, and
another pair of over the ear noise cancelling headphones] I found the
voice
was clear enough [no hearing aid for this test] but was disappointed by
the
level of music volume for both pairs of headphones, it was ok, but given
that my hearing loss is in the high end, I need additional volume to fully
appreciate those frequencies, and I like music loud anyway, to get fully
absorbed in it.

I noticed that the voice over voice did appear to be capable of greater
volume than was available for music, and have wondered since getting home, if this could have been because I tried to increase the music volume while
voice over was still talking, and thus increased the latter and not the
former. This makes my finding inconclusive. What I would say is, that I
think if the Touch was put through another system, say a docking system,
or
home stereo, or even headphones with individual volume control, then there
will be enough umph, but maybe by themselves, just with standard
headphones,
they may well pack less of a punch, but like I said, the voice over was
definitely loud and clear enough for me through headphones. I didn't try
the
ones that come with the Touch, as I find included headphones are usually
inferior things anyway, so wanted my own pretty good quality ones.

For those familiar with the N82 mobile, I'd say that voice over and music
on
the Touch, is similar in power to TALKS and music on the N82.

For those that haven't had hands on, the Touch is very thin and flat, but
bigger than I expected, being larger than the average mobile phones. While
there, I took a quick look at the Iphone too, and have to say I didn't
really like the feel of it in the hand, this is larger still than the
Touch,
and heavier too than many modern mobiles. I didn't feel it felt very
natural
holding it to the era because of it's broadness in width. In terms of
build,
it felt like a backwards step to me, basically a rectangular frame around
a
piece of glass, that felt a bit too long, and a bit too wide in the hand
when used as a phone, probably fine for texting etc.

All just my opinion and experience today, and not meant to encourage or
dissuade. Hope it helps in some way -

Andy



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