[access-uk] Re: Moving to Window Eyes

When I was a Window-Eyes user I found the support from GW Micro second to 
none. In the GW Micro world, what is the difference between a dealer and a 
distributor?

Iain
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving to Window Eyes


Hi Ray.

On this subject, the other thing I think GW could learn from freedom
scientific is connected to sales models.

JAWS is distributed by Sight and Sound in the UK and can be sold by others
for the same price as part of a bigger system.  This is broadly my
understanding and I am of course more than happy to be corrected if this is
not the case.

Companies like Blazie for example specialise in script writing for the work
place.

Window-eyes is sold by lots of vendors without having a main UK distributor.
This means a lot of one man bands and smallish companies sell Window-eyes
but I know of no one working full time as a Window-eyes technician or
support person in any company.

I'm not trying to argue that JAWS is perfect, no way, but if Window-eyes
wants to be a serious challenger to JAWS, and probably supernova as well for
that matter, GW needs to change the model used to sell Window-Eyes so that a
company can guaranttee or realistically hope to get enough sales to make it
economically viable to employ full-time support staff.  It is not always
feasible or even possible for everyone to ring the US and rely on people
there for technical support, not if Window-eyes starts to get anywhere near
as popular as JAWS currently is.

If scripting capability arrives in window-eyes in the near future, it will
only become more popular I believe.

Regards

Graham
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moving to Window Eyes


Not wishing to enter into an argument on this subject, but I'll start
by acknowledging Chris's comment that Window-Eyes uses 'different
concepts' re. set files vs. scripts and saving them.

The different concepts basically amount to a different philosophy
involving exstensive use of W-E's mouse keys.  The mouse is always
available for navigation with no special mode being entered to use it.
In this way, many Window-Eyes users would argue they have the
flexibility to navigate the screen and find INFORMATION AND USE
PROGRAM CONTROLS, SO THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON SCRIPTS TO DO MUCH OF
THIS WORK FOR THEM.  tHIS This may, and often does, involve more
keystrokes but at least things don't so often get broken when newer
versions of apps are installed, as does often happen with scripts.

(I'm not decrying the use of scripts in saying all of this, but merely
pointing out a difference in philosphy.)  Set files can, and do, help
W-E users automate some things, and I think a substantial enhancement
of the set files may be coming to Window-Eyes in the next release.

I might add, as an after-thought, that the Mac's Voice Over might be
more understandable to Window-Eyes users than most screen reader
users, as I believe this uses simlar navigation techniques in some
ways to Window-Eyes - albeit in a very different operating system.
Maybe this is why Voice Over got such an ill-informed slagging off in
the Access World review a couple of years back.  Seems the reviewer
expected it and wanted it to behave like JfW.  If that's right, little
wonder he was at such a loss to make Voice Over work.

Haven't read back through the previous posts on this subject as yet,
but I hope some good training using W-E is available at the
establishment being talked about.  (Not that W-E doesn't have good
documentation, it most certainly does., as well as a key describer
mode.)  (I'll try and hunt down an article on W-E for JFW users, and I
think there is one in the GW Micro knowledge base.

Cheers,

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Chris Hallsworth


Wow, a university using Window-Eyes! Anyway Window-Eyes includes a
JAWS layout, so that you can familiarize yourself with Window-Eyes
using JAWS keystrokes. Yes you will have to read the entire manual as
they use very different concepts in terms of saving configurations and
stuff. Also, Window-Eyes doesn't work with as many applications as
JAWS does, because of the lack of flexibility, such as scripting, in
the product. Hope that helps, and all the best in your studies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ari
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:18 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Moving to Window Eyes


Hi guys,
I'm changing universities next year, but my problem is that the new
university to which I'm going uses Window Eyes, while at the old uni
and at home I've used JAWS all my life. My question is, is there some
sort of guide for JAWS users to quickly get going with WE, or do I
really have to work through the whole manual?
Thanks
Ari


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