Yes - I wonder how good it is, for example, at reading columns and
tables --
maybe jackie has some input on that one? -
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:50 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| I'd really like to demo the product.
|
| Even if that meant putting down a deposit that could be refunded once
the
| unit was sent back.
|
| It's allot of cash to spend out on something that you haven't had a
chance
| to test in your day to day life.
|
| Sight Village is all well and good and I might be tracking my way over
there
| this year if this is going to be on display but still there's nothing
like
| having it at home or taking it into the office with you.
|
| Dj Paddy
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:31 PM
| Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
|
|
| > So, maybe we will be able to get a demo copy, as perhaps a download,
then
| > an
| > activation code? That'd be quite useful.
| >
| > It seems then, when products come from the states, the price gets
hiped
| > for
| > us in the UK, but when a product is from Europe, such as TALKS, the
states
| > pay the same, it doesn't get reduced for that market -
| >
| > Andy
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:33 PM
| > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| >
| >
| > | It'll probably be tied to your phones seriel number liek Talks and
| > Mobile
| > | Speak does.
| > |
| > | How about anyone that's out there just buy the lot?
| > |
| > | Current exchange rates show that, $2,300 for the lot, phone, talks,
| > software
| > | is about 500 quid cheaper than here.
| > |
| > | Dj Paddy
| > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:09 PM
| > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > |
| > |
| > | > George - I think those us interested in buying from the US, just
want
| > the
| > | > software, as it's about £300 cheaper. It appears however that each
| > state
| > | > has
| > | > it's own dealer, and therefore is unlikely they will sell
overseas.
| > | >
| > | > What I can't find out is how the software will be licence to
prevent
| > | > piracy.
| > | >
| > | > Andy
| > | > ----- Original Message -----
| > | > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:00 PM
| > | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > |I suppose you could try, but with something of that value, I
| > | > | sure as heck would want to make sure that it was fully
| > | > | insured. Of course by doing that, it would have to have a
| > | > | full value commercial shipping invoice with it, and so sure
| > | > | as eggs are eggs, it would get snagged by Customs.
| > | > |
| > | > | Even if it was marked as "Articles for the Bind", you would
| > | > | then need to deal with Customs to explain why. And at the
| > | > | very least, there's a 99% chance you would have to pay Duty
| > | > | & VAT on the telephone itself.
| > | > |
| > | > | Additionally, you may find as I do, that in addition to the
| > | > | shipping cost, you have to pay Airline Handling and Customs
| > | > | Clearance, likely to be around £25 each for those two items
| > | > | alone.
| > | > |
| > | > | There's an interesting article from the Guardian at:-
| > | > | http://tinyurl.com/3e4d8y
| > | > | which warns people about the hidden costs of importing good
| > | > | purchased from abroad.
| > | > |
| > | > | George.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | -----Original Message-----
| > | > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sunil
| > | > | Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM
| > | > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > | Are there any restrictions on any of us in the UK buying the
| > | > | software from
| > | > | an American dealer? Or would it be worth it once you take
| > | > | into account
| > | > | shipping etc?
| > | > |
| > | > | -----Original Message-----
| > | > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
| > | > | Ray's Home
| > | > | Sent: 03 February 2008 00:54
| > | > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > | Well, I've heard all 68 minutes or so of the presentation on
| > | > | the KNFB
| > | > | embedded cell phone reader, and the listening is interesting
| > | > | for more
| > | > | than the obvious reasons. Before I say more, some quick
| > | > | jump to
| > | > | points might be good for those who cannot waite to get to
| > | > | the meat.
| > | > |
| > | > | 23 minutes in givbes you Ray Kurtzveil's intro and future
| > | > | gazing - and
| > | > | he's known as a futureologist. Things like image and object
| > | > | recognition improvements, including, he claims, faces.
| > | > |
| > | > | thirty minutes in or so, main presentation of what the
| > | > | present
| > | > | software does, and demos of it working on text, to
| > | > | tremendous rapture
| > | > | by the audience.
| > | > |
| > | > | 50 minutes: Question time, including cost of software and
| > | > | phone etc.
| > | > | and where Americans can buy.
| > | > |
| > | > | Speaking mostly from emory interesting points are the reader
| > | > | will work
| > | > | in a phone without a screen reader, and one that's not
| > | > | activated.
| > | > | Very good Screen enlargement is also there too for those
| > | > | with some
| > | > | sight,. Good help and keyboard guidance built-in, and
| > | > | presenter
| > | > | believes the reader software should be usable with very
| > | > | minimal
| > | > | training for many if not most people.
| > | > |
| > | > | The phone itself (Nokia n82) measures 4" x 2" x1" thick, and
| > | > | weighs in
| > | > | at 4 oz.in Its said to be very tacktile and the keys more
| > | > | identifiable than many. Sells for $500 or less in the US.
| > | > | Has built
| > | > | in GPS MP3 player, and high quality camera of course. I say
| > | > | all this
| > | > | to give some idea of what those fortunate enough to have the
| > | > | dosh will
| > | > | get in the phone itself.
| > | > |
| > | > | The software, to be much improved on, turns out to cost
| > | > | $1595.00 in
| > | > | the US. Now, here's where we come to that pricing issue
| > | > | again. that
| > | > | would equate to a straight UK conversionof less than
| > | > | ?800.00. So, why
| > | > | cannot we have it for less than ?100.00? Say ?950.00 for
| > | > | reading
| > | > | anywhere! What a sales point that could be for those who
| > | > | can push the
| > | > | poat out? AS opposed to rather more than that, seemingly.
| > | > |
| > | > | Not sure a UK audience or consumers are going to be quite so
| > | > | raptured
| > | > | and take the message to the country as they're encouaged to
| > | > | do in the
| > | > | US! The demo or presentation indeed had more the flavour of
| > | > | a
| > | > | revivalist meeting, with sounding horn, and loads of
| > | > | shrieking and
| > | > | applause. Maybe a sort of primary? Not without good
| > | > | reason!
| > | > |
| > | > | I only wish potential UK buyers had as much to shout about.
| > | > | AS it is
| > | > | the software, as I say, is going for $1595.00, so God knows
| > | > | what the
| > | > | 37 dealers there actually pay for it. Or what our sole
| > | > | distributer
| > | > | pays for it, come to that. I'll bet is less than $1595.00.
| > | > | Okay, so
| > | > | business is about profit; yes, I've got that message. When
| > | > | does
| > | > | profit turn to greed and extortion? Sorry folks, but yes,
| > | > | you can
| > | > | have a marvel of a device here, which can only get better.
| > | > | You'll pay
| > | > | much more dearly for it than folks across the Atlantic.
| > | > | Unlike them
| > | > | too, you won't be accessing a 3 per cent loan to help buy
| > | > | it. That in
| > | > | itself would be a good idea, but not sure why anyone should
| > | > | help
| > | > | bolster an already ludicrus profit margin.
| > | > |
| > | > | Those remarks aside, I do urge anyone who's not heard the
| > | > | launch of
| > | > | the KNFB cell phone reader to go on over to:
| > | > |
| > | > | http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
| > | > |
| > | > | And download or simply listen to the file.
| > | > |
| > | > | Cheers,
| > | > |
| > | > | From Ray
| > | > | I can be contacted off-list at:
| > | > | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | -----Original Message-----
| > | > | Steve Nutt
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Hi Ray,
| > | > |
| > | > | Well James Everson of Sight And Sound is on this list, so I
| > | > | would be
| > | > | very
| > | > | interested in his comments on this. As a reseller of
| > | > | adaptive tech, I
| > | > | too
| > | > | feel this is overpricing, even allowing for overheads.
| > | > |
| > | > | All the best
| > | > |
| > | > | Steve
| > | > |
| > | > | -----Original Message-----
| > | > | Ray's Home
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > | Paul, the 'over-inflated' UK price is more worthy of a post
| > | > | from me!
| > | > | (smile).
| > | > |
| > | > | Think the difference is three or four hundred quid! Presume
| > | > | there's
| > | > | no
| > | > | training being offered if you buy the software alone, as
| > | > | surely some
| > | > | will
| > | > | want to do. So, where exactly is the support and whatever
| > | > | in that?
| > | > | Sure
| > | > | many would like to pay rather less than a thousand quid for
| > | > | the
| > | > | software, if
| > | > | only they could!
| > | > |
| > | > | Wouldn't be so concerned if this was more obviously another
| > | > | leaning on
| > | > | Access to work provision, but we're talking enhancing of
| > | > | dailly living
| > | > | here.
| > | > | This makes it look very like extortion to me.
| > | > |
| > | > | I'd dearly like to see a defence of this, but as we often
| > | > | say here,
| > | > | I'm not
| > | > | holding my breath!
| > | > |
| > | > | Cheers,
| > | > |
| > | > | From Ray
| > | > | I can be contacted off-list at:
| > | > | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | -----Original Message-----
| > | > | Paul Leake
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to
| > | > | develop
| > | > | the
| > | > | product for the future. Pity that the u k price seems over
| > | > | inflated
| > | > | though!
| > | > |
| > | > | Cheers
| > | > |
| > | > | Paul
| > | > |
| > | > | paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
| > | > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | > | From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| > | > | Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM
| > | > | Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | > Hi folks,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. You
| > | > | can
| > | > | download it
| > | > | > from:-
| > | > | >
| > | > | > http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614
| > | > | >
| > | > | > All the best
| > | > |
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