It is a matter of respect or the lack of it. My father was born in 1897 and he was in his fifties when I was born. Though he did swear vociferously he never swore before ladies, and when a lady entered a room he stopped swearing. You wouldn't swear before a none or before the queen of England would you? Thus we should never swear before children or ladies even though we know they well are aware of the words. As an aside. He dissuaded me from frequenting bars as he said "ladies" who were ladies wouldn't go to such places. I miss that sort of quaint gallantry these days. We would do well to bring much of that back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators on the list! > > > It's fair enough that swearing might upset some people so we shouldn't use it, after all, it's not necessary. However, it's ironic that most kids over the age of 11 swear when there are no adults around and adults swear when there are no kids around but neither are honest and open enough to do it when they are mixed. Has any adult ever asked a kid if they are offended by swearing? It's not the children who are offended, it is a case of being offended by proxy. Is it because we don't want to corrupt the children? Most know the words, use them when adults are not around and are eventually and inevitably told not to swear in front of the kids. Personally, I think that the milder words, all of which I hear on Radio 4, add colour and intonation to language, especially the rather flat written language of email. As Billy Connelly said, there is no such thing as bad language; it is good language used badly. > Barry H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Logue > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:07 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Moderators on the list! > > > > > So long as the moderator is a moderate moderator and doesn't jump on > people's backs for referring to a rainfall in, um, common terms. IE > referring to my local wet weather as, P something down. Receiving a, warning > off email from someone who was never introduced as moderator? Well, I was > not best pleased, nor was I pleased to be informed that, although this was > the way folks might speak in Ontario, it certainly was not the current > language of Scotland. I found this comment rather infuriating and in bad > taste. I do agree that a list must be well moderated and the use of bad > language must not be tolerated, but lets not go overboard. If someone does > cross the line, I think a little diplomacy will serve better than insults. > > Peter Logue > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > Steve Dryden > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:02 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Moderators on the list! > > > Hi All, I would just like to take this opportunity to mention a few things. > Firstly, thank you for putting up with the inconveniences over the last week > or two. I myself have had no end of problems trying to even log onto the > website for admin of the group. For this reason. George Bell kindly offered > to help out as he already has some experience with freelists in running the > duxbury list. George has therefore been working closely with both myself > and Barry and George has been given, by myself, full rights as a moderator > and for group administration. In the transition of Access-UK from > Yahoogroups to Freelists, his experience has proven invaluable. > At this initial stage of transition, I am sure that with the presence of > some glitches, tensions are raised. For this reason, I am sure that > everyone can exercise some additional patience and treat others with the > respect that they deserve. > > Shortly, a new updated list of guidelines will be sent out, please digest > these with the onset of the new list. Without mentioning any specifics, > please do be careful of the style of language used on the list. I know of > several children who also read some of this mail and, please respect the > wishes of the moderators. > > Best regards to you all. > > steve Hyde-Dryden > Group Owner > > > > > ** To leave the Access-UK list, send a message with the Subject:- > ** unsubscribe > ** to access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body > ** For other things like setting nomail when on holiday, > ** or digest mode, send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > ** faq > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body. > > > ** To leave the Access-UK list, send a message with the Subject:- > ** unsubscribe > ** to access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body > ** For other things like setting nomail when on holiday, > ** or digest mode, send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > ** faq > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body. > ** To leave the Access-UK list, send a message with the Subject:- > ** unsubscribe > ** to access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body > ** For other things like setting nomail when on holiday, > ** or digest mode, send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > ** faq > ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body. ** To leave the Access-UK list, send a message with the Subject:- ** unsubscribe ** to access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body ** For other things like setting nomail when on holiday, ** or digest mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- ** faq ** Please do not put text or signatures in the message body.