[access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
- From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:57:26 +0100
Hi George,
Sorry to ask as I don't know your sight level, but do you access the printed
version of the magazine or are you on an electronic subscription of some
kind? I used to read the magazine faithfully some years ago, but then print
became an issue so I stopped. TNAUK don't seem to have it, so just curious
where you were getting it from.
Hope I'm not being too nosy 'smile'.
_______________________________________
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Hussein.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of George Bell
> Sent: 02 June 2010 23:49
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> Doubtless it will be as accessible as a bank manager is these days,
> but in Computer Active magazine, 27th May to 9th June edition, page
> 65, is a report which says that there will be a cut down "Starter
> Edition" of Office 2010 which will be offered by computer
> manufacturers and pre-installed on PCs they sell.
>
> George
>
> BUT, it goes on to say that while it will be free, "it will instead
> include advertising".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> Sent: 02 June 2010 09:49
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> This is correct, it is a similar scheme that was run when Windows 7
> was released, which allowed people from previous versions of Windows,
> based on version and purchase date, upgrade for free.
>
> _______________________________________
> Have a pleasant day,
>
> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
>
> Hussein.
>
> Hussein Patwa
> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
> > Sent: 02 June 2010 00:04
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> > Hi Eleanor.
> >
> > If you have office 2007 and activated it after March 5th I think,
> you
> > also have a dated sales receipt and the product key and product ID
> to
> > hand, you can apply for a free downloadable upgrade from
> www.microsoft.com/techg.
> >
> > All the best, Ibrahim.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:59 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> >
> > >I know but how do you upgrade to 2010 for free.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "chris hallsworth" <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:56 PM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >
> > >
> > >> One can buy Office 2007 Home and Student, and the product key is
> > >> good
> > for
> > >> up to three computers.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Mr IT Help Desk [HND]
> > >> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > >>
> > >> On 01/06/2010 23:22, Eleanor Burke wrote:
> > >>> What is the free computers scheme Chris?
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth"
> > >>> <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:28 PM
> > >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hopefully, if I get a license for 2007 Home and Student thanks
> to
> > >>>> the three computers scheme, then I may upgrade for free to
> 2010.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mr IT Help Desk [HND]
> > >>>> E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>> Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 01/06/2010 22:25, Barry Hill wrote:
> > >>>>> There are a lot of negatives there, and some of them are
> serious
> > >>>>> ones. I'm sticking with 2003.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Barry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>> From: "Griffiths, Steve"<Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:29 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Not specific to using it with JAWS, but I have some likes and
> dislikes
> > >>>>> with the Office 2010 beta. Maybe the dislikes have been sorted
>
> > >>>>> in
> the
> > >>>>> actual release.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Likes:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Keyboard use. Moving between groups on a ribbon tab has
> been
> > >>>>> changed from Shift+RightArrow to Ctrl+Rightarrow, and this
> means
> > >>>>> you don't
> > get
> > >>>>> caught on any editable controls - brilliant! This is a really
> > >>>>> handy way for keyboarders to move quickly through the ribbon
> > >>>>> controls.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2. The Find dialogue is now located in the Navigation pane and
>
> > >>>>> simplified; it requires a few more keystrokes to get to the
> > >>>>> Options
> or
> > >>>>> "old" dialogue. 2. I like the way it informs you how many hits
>
> > >>>>> there are
> > >>>>> - very handy.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3. Nice to be able to customise the ribbon. Haven't played
> with
> > >>>>> it a great deal, but the idea is great.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4. Outlook Calendar. I like the facility to group calendars in
>
> > >>>>> the Navigation Pane, and move calendars between groups. Even
> > >>>>> better
> > would
> > >>>>> be
> > >>>>> the ability to right click a calendar and choose a "move to
> group"
> > >>>>> option which would give a list of the groups (a bit like
> moving
> > >>>>> a message to another folder) because screen reader users may
> > >>>>> have to
> > use
> > >>>>> the Move Up option a number of times to get a calendar into
> > >>>>> another group, and there is little feedback to say when a
> > >>>>> calendar moves
> from
> > >>>>> one group to another.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dislikes:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1. Outlook. Doing an Advanced Find with Ctrl+Shift+F - if I
> > >>>>> choose
> one
> > >>>>> of the buttons that opens another dialogue (e.g. From,
> Browse),
> > >>>>> when
> > I
> > >>>>> close this second dialogue my keyboard focus doesn't appear to
> > return
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>> the Advanced Find dialogue - although I can press Escape to
> > >>>>> close
> it!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2. Outlook. Can no longer use Alt + S to save and close an
> appointment
> > >>>>> or contact. I have to press Alt, H, AV, unless there's a trick
>
> > >>>>> I'm missing?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3. Print/print preview. There are two annoyances with this. a)
>
> > >>>>> If I use a shortcut such as Ctrl+P to open the print dialogue,
>
> > >>>>> or Ctrl+F2 to get a print preview, I can then not use the
> > >>>>> keyboard to navigate the resulting screen. I have to use the
> > >>>>> Backstage menu - this I what
> they
> > >>>>> have renamed the File menu, although they have replaced the
> > symbol for
> > >>>>> it with the word "File" - to get to the same screen (Alt, F,
> P)
> > >>>>> if I want to use the keyboard to navigate it. b) I used to
> like
> > >>>>> using the print preview screen to work out how documents like
> > >>>>> spreadsheets
> > would
> > >>>>> look when printed. In previous versions of Excel I could press
> Ctrl+F2
> > >>>>> to open print preview mode, and then use PageDown and PageUp
> to
> > move
> > >>>>> between the pages. I could explore each page with a virtual
> > >>>>> cursor
> if
> > >>>>> I
> > >>>>> wished. Apart from the fact that I have to use Alt, F, P and
> > >>>>> then B and F to move the print preview from page to page, the
> > >>>>> layout of the screen with the Backstage menu at the left, the
> > >>>>> print dialogue in the
> middle
> > >>>>> and the print preview at the right make it almost impossible
> to
> > >>>>> work out where my document content begins and ends. A very
> > >>>>> useful feature is
> > no
> > >>>>> longer available.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4. Keyboard use, In Outlook's View pane, the controls in the
> > >>>>> Arrangement group have underlined letters. A control label
> with
> > >>>>> an underlined letter usually means you can use the Alt key
> with
> > >>>>> the letter to activate the control, but I can't get these to
> > >>>>> work in this way.
> I
> > >>>>> have to use Alt, W, AB to get to the stage where I can use
> these
> > >>>>> underlined letters simply as keytips.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 5. Keyboard use. Can't save attachments via the Backstage menu
> > unless
> > >>>>> the item is open; the menu item is greyed out regardless.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 6. Focus. If I open a Word/Excel document from Windows
> Explorer,
> > >>>>> it doesn't take focus.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 7. Outlook - if I move to a day in the Calendar and press Ctrl
> +
> > >>>>> N,
> I
> > >>>>> get an appointment with the attributes of an event - midnight
> to
> > >>>>> midnight - but without the "all day event" checkbox checked.
> In
> > >>>>> Outlook
> > >>>>> 2007 I got a half hour appointment starting at the time set as
>
> > >>>>> my default in Calendar Options, which was much more like what
> I
> > >>>>> usually need.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 8. The colours for focus/selection on the File menu do not
> make
> > >>>>> it clear where focus is. Dark blue indicates the presence of a
>
> > >>>>> submenu and light blue shows focus, but when focus moves to a
> > >>>>> submenu, the light blue
> > is
> > >>>>> lost. Would it be possible to swap the colours around, so
> focus
> > >>>>> is easier to establish? Also, the Add-Ins item shows as white
> > >>>>> text on a light background when focus moves to it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 9. Keyboard use. If I hover the mouse over a lower ribbon
> > >>>>> command, a tooltip pops up that often includes a keyboard
> > >>>>> shortcut. I can't
> find
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> way to get the same information with the keyboard. Also, I
> can't
> find
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>> way to get similar information about items on the BackStage
> > >>>>> menu,
> > with
> > >>>>> either the keyboard (my preferred method) or the mouse.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 10. Disappointing that keytips haven't been made more
> intuitive
> > >>>>> -
> e.g.
> > >>>>> in Word, to change the document to Draft view, which is what
> > >>>>> Normal view is now called, is still Alt, W, E. In almost all
> > >>>>> cases, the number
> of
> > >>>>> keystrokes to achieve something have either stayed the same or
>
> > >>>>> increased.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 11. Panes that open at the right and left, often don't take
> focus.
> > >>>>> E.g.
> > >>>>> Shift + F7 highlights the current word, opens the Research
> pane
> > >>>>> at
> the
> > >>>>> right and presents Thesaurus results for the word - but focus
> > >>>>> stays
> on
> > >>>>> the highlighted word. I have to press F6 once or twice,
> > >>>>> depending on whether the Navigation pane is on screen, to get
> to it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 12. To change View options, you have to visit the View tab
> > >>>>> (Draft, Print layout etc), Insert tab (Header/Footer, page
> > >>>>> numbers) or Reference
> > tab
> > >>>>> (table of contents, footnotes/endnotes). It would be useful if
>
> > >>>>> these were all on the same tab.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Steve
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>
> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>> Sent: 01 June 2010 15:26
> > >>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Oh Carol, where to start?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Well, Outlook 2010 is considerably more stable than 2007 ever
> > >>>>> was. I can start browsing folders without the program hanging
> on
> > >>>>> me even whilst mail is still being downloaded. The
> conversations
> > >>>>> view is far more customisable.
> > >>>>> There is better handling and management of read receipts, with
>
> > >>>>> tracking information added to the original message. Deleted
> > >>>>> items in IMAP folders are moved to the Trash folder of the
> > >>>>> mailbox, instead of remaining in the original folder. There is
>
> > >>>>> better support for simultaneous calendars excluding Exchange.
> > >>>>> The format of the
> > program
> > >>>>> has been improved, so things are in more logical places, for
> example,
> > >>>>> the 'from' drop down box when composing messages to specify
> the
> > >>>>> sending account. On that note, if you start a new message from
>
> > >>>>> within a
> given
> > >>>>> mail account's folder, the mail will default to sending from
> > >>>>> that account for that message, rather than reverting to the
> > >>>>> default mailbox.
> > >>>>> This is very handy if, like me, you have 22 separate mail
> > >>>>> accounts
> all
> > >>>>> within the same program.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And that's just Outlook. Need I go on?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Absolutely loving it. So much more productive than I ever was
> > >>>>> with 2007.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
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> > >>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Find me on Facebook:
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >>>>>> On Behalf Of Carol Pearson
> > >>>>>> Sent: 01 June 2010 05:46
> > >>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> OK, so please tell us Hussein, about these features???
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Carol
> > >>>>>> carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>> On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
> > >>>>>> From: "Hussein Patwa"<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> To:<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:57 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yes, it has the ribbon interface, even Outlook now, which
> was
> > >>>>>>> a
> > long
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>> time in coming. I love it. Outlook has so many features that
> I
> > >>>>>>> wish we had long before now that I can now use.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I often have to use a machine with Office 2003 on it for
> > >>>>>>> printing, etc. And going back to it is like walking into the
>
> > >>>>>>> past, I can never find things and it all seems so illogical.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> > >>>>>>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> > >>>>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > >>>>>>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Find me on Facebook:
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >>>>>>> Sent: 31 May 2010 21:10
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is it like 2007 with all those ribbons?
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:59 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From what I know it should be. I'm using it with a different
> screen
> > >>>>>>> reader, and I love it. I'm not sure if Jaws will go down
> their
> > >>>>>>> normal line of requiring an add-on though to make it work
> fully.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Have a pleasant day,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hussein Patwa
> > >>>>>>> Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > >>>>>>> Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > >>>>>>> Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
> > >>>>>>> Skype: patwaspotterfan2
> > >>>>>>> GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter
> > >>>>>>> Web: www.patwanet.co.uk
> > >>>>>>> My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Find me on Facebook:
> > >>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Moore
> > >>>>>>> Sent: 31 May 2010 13:51
> > >>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is MS Office 2010 Professional compatible with JFW 11
> Standard
> > >>>>>>> version?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> TIA,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mike
> > >>>>>>>
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