[access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
- From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:05:09 +0100
Hi Steve,
Many of your dislikes have either been fixed in the release or would seem to
be screen reader specific. I can't replicate any of your focus issues, your
attachment issues, or some of the keytip issues.
I'll reply in more depth later, but depending on which beta you are using it
may well be that many of your issues were ironed out later in the
development cycle.
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Hussein.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Griffiths, Steve
> Sent: 01 June 2010 20:30
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> Not specific to using it with JAWS, but I have some likes and dislikes
> with the Office 2010 beta. Maybe the dislikes have been sorted in the
> actual release.
>
> Likes:
>
> 1. Keyboard use. Moving between groups on a ribbon tab has been changed
> from Shift+RightArrow to Ctrl+Rightarrow, and this means you don't get
> caught on any editable controls - brilliant! This is a really handy way
> for keyboarders to move quickly through the ribbon controls.
>
> 2. The Find dialogue is now located in the Navigation pane and
> simplified; it requires a few more keystrokes to get to the Options or
> "old" dialogue. 2. I like the way it informs you how many hits there are
> - very handy.
>
> 3. Nice to be able to customise the ribbon. Haven't played with it a
> great deal, but the idea is great.
>
> 4. Outlook Calendar. I like the facility to group calendars in the
> Navigation Pane, and move calendars between groups. Even better would
> be
> the ability to right click a calendar and choose a "move to group"
> option which would give a list of the groups (a bit like moving a
> message to another folder) because screen reader users may have to use
> the Move Up option a number of times to get a calendar into another
> group, and there is little feedback to say when a calendar moves from
> one group to another.
>
> Dislikes:
>
> 1. Outlook. Doing an Advanced Find with Ctrl+Shift+F - if I choose one
> of the buttons that opens another dialogue (e.g. From, Browse), when I
> close this second dialogue my keyboard focus doesn't appear to return to
> the Advanced Find dialogue - although I can press Escape to close it!
>
> 2. Outlook. Can no longer use Alt + S to save and close an appointment
> or contact. I have to press Alt, H, AV, unless there's a trick I'm
> missing?
>
> 3. Print/print preview. There are two annoyances with this. a) If I use
> a shortcut such as Ctrl+P to open the print dialogue, or Ctrl+F2 to get
> a print preview, I can then not use the keyboard to navigate the
> resulting screen. I have to use the Backstage menu - this I what they
> have renamed the File menu, although they have replaced the symbol for
> it with the word "File" - to get to the same screen (Alt, F, P) if I
> want to use the keyboard to navigate it. b) I used to like using the
> print preview screen to work out how documents like spreadsheets would
> look when printed. In previous versions of Excel I could press Ctrl+F2
> to open print preview mode, and then use PageDown and PageUp to move
> between the pages. I could explore each page with a virtual cursor if I
> wished. Apart from the fact that I have to use Alt, F, P and then B and
> F to move the print preview from page to page, the layout of the screen
> with the Backstage menu at the left, the print dialogue in the middle
> and the print preview at the right make it almost impossible to work out
> where my document content begins and ends. A very useful feature is no
> longer available.
>
> 4. Keyboard use, In Outlook's View pane, the controls in the
> Arrangement group have underlined letters. A control label with an
> underlined letter usually means you can use the Alt key with the letter
> to activate the control, but I can't get these to work in this way. I
> have to use Alt, W, AB to get to the stage where I can use these
> underlined letters simply as keytips.
>
> 5. Keyboard use. Can't save attachments via the Backstage menu unless
> the item is open; the menu item is greyed out regardless.
>
> 6. Focus. If I open a Word/Excel document from Windows Explorer, it
> doesn't take focus.
>
> 7. Outlook - if I move to a day in the Calendar and press Ctrl + N, I
> get an appointment with the attributes of an event - midnight to
> midnight - but without the "all day event" checkbox checked. In Outlook
> 2007 I got a half hour appointment starting at the time set as my
> default in Calendar Options, which was much more like what I usually
> need.
>
> 8. The colours for focus/selection on the File menu do not make it clear
> where focus is. Dark blue indicates the presence of a submenu and light
> blue shows focus, but when focus moves to a submenu, the light blue is
> lost. Would it be possible to swap the colours around, so focus is
> easier to establish? Also, the Add-Ins item shows as white text on a
> light background when focus moves to it.
>
> 9. Keyboard use. If I hover the mouse over a lower ribbon command, a
> tooltip pops up that often includes a keyboard shortcut. I can't find a
> way to get the same information with the keyboard. Also, I can't find a
> way to get similar information about items on the BackStage menu, with
> either the keyboard (my preferred method) or the mouse.
>
> 10. Disappointing that keytips haven't been made more intuitive - e.g.
> in Word, to change the document to Draft view, which is what Normal view
> is now called, is still Alt, W, E. In almost all cases, the number of
> keystrokes to achieve something have either stayed the same or
> increased.
>
> 11. Panes that open at the right and left, often don't take focus. E.g.
> Shift + F7 highlights the current word, opens the Research pane at the
> right and presents Thesaurus results for the word - but focus stays on
> the highlighted word. I have to press F6 once or twice, depending on
> whether the Navigation pane is on screen, to get to it.
>
> 12. To change View options, you have to visit the View tab (Draft, Print
> layout etc), Insert tab (Header/Footer, page numbers) or Reference tab
> (table of contents, footnotes/endnotes). It would be useful if these
> were all on the same tab.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Hussein Patwa
> Sent: 01 June 2010 15:26
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
>
> Oh Carol, where to start?
>
> Well, Outlook 2010 is considerably more stable than 2007 ever was. I
> can start browsing folders without the program hanging on me even whilst
> mail is still being downloaded. The conversations view is far more
> customisable.
> There is better handling and management of read receipts, with tracking
> information added to the original message. Deleted items in IMAP
> folders are moved to the Trash folder of the mailbox, instead of
> remaining in the original folder. There is better support for
> simultaneous calendars excluding Exchange. The format of the program
> has been improved, so things are in more logical places, for example,
> the 'from' drop down box when composing messages to specify the sending
> account. On that note, if you start a new message from within a given
> mail account's folder, the mail will default to sending from that
> account for that message, rather than reverting to the default mailbox.
> This is very handy if, like me, you have 22 separate mail accounts all
> within the same program.
>
> And that's just Outlook. Need I go on?
>
> Absolutely loving it. So much more productive than I ever was with
> 2007.
>
> _______________________________________
> Have a pleasant day,
>
> Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
>
> Hussein.
>
> Hussein Patwa
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Carol Pearson
> > Sent: 01 June 2010 05:46
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> > OK, so please tell us Hussein, about these features???
> >
> > --
> > Carol
> > carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a
> >
> > ---- Original Message ----
> > From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:57 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, it has the ribbon interface, even Outlook now, which was a long
>
> > > time in coming. I love it. Outlook has so many features that I
> > > wish we had long before now that I can now use.
> > >
> > > I often have to use a machine with Office 2003 on it for printing,
> > > etc. And going back to it is like walking into the past, I can
> > > never find things and it all seems so illogical.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________
> > > Have a pleasant day,
> > >
> > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >
> > > Hussein.
> > >
> > > Hussein Patwa
> > > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
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> > >
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> > >
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > > Sent: 31 May 2010 21:10
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >
> > > Is it like 2007 with all those ribbons?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Hussein Patwa
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:59 PM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > From what I know it should be. I'm using it with a different screen
> > > reader, and I love it. I'm not sure if Jaws will go down their
> > > normal line of requiring an add-on though to make it work fully.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________
> > > Have a pleasant day,
> > >
> > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes,
> > >
> > > Hussein.
> > >
> > > Hussein Patwa
> > > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK)
> > > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP)
> > > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa
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> > >
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> > >
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Moore
> > > Sent: 31 May 2010 13:51
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Is MS Office 2010 Professional compatible with JFW 11 Standard
> > > version?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Mike
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