A very mixed bag, it seems, and a fair learning curve for someone who hasn't trodden that path just yet ... and probably doesn't need to, so perhaps I'll refrain, but thanks guys for the overview, good and bad.
-- Carol carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a ---- Original Message ---- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11
Not specific to using it with JAWS, but I have some likes and dislikes with the Office 2010 beta. Maybe the dislikes have been sorted in the actual release. Likes: 1. Keyboard use. Moving between groups on a ribbon tab has been changed from Shift+RightArrow to Ctrl+Rightarrow, and this means you don't get caught on any editable controls - brilliant! This is a really handy way for keyboarders to move quickly through the ribbon controls. 2. The Find dialogue is now located in the Navigation pane and simplified; it requires a few more keystrokes to get to the Options or "old" dialogue. 2. I like the way it informs you how many hits there are - very handy. 3. Nice to be able to customise the ribbon. Haven't played with it a great deal, but the idea is great. 4. Outlook Calendar. I like the facility to group calendars in the Navigation Pane, and move calendars between groups. Even better would be the ability to right click a calendar and choose a "move to group" option which would give a list of the groups (a bit like moving a message to another folder) because screen reader users may have to use the Move Up option a number of times to get a calendar into another group, and there is little feedback to say when a calendar moves from one group to another. Dislikes: 1. Outlook. Doing an Advanced Find with Ctrl+Shift+F - if I choose one of the buttons that opens another dialogue (e.g. From, Browse), when I close this second dialogue my keyboard focus doesn't appear to return to the Advanced Find dialogue - although I can press Escape to close it! 2. Outlook. Can no longer use Alt + S to save and close an appointment or contact. I have to press Alt, H, AV, unless there's a trick I'm missing? 3. Print/print preview. There are two annoyances with this. a) If I use a shortcut such as Ctrl+P to open the print dialogue, or Ctrl+F2 to get a print preview, I can then not use the keyboard to navigate the resulting screen. I have to use the Backstage menu - this I what they have renamed the File menu, although they have replaced the symbol for it with the word "File" - to get to the same screen (Alt, F, P) if I want to use the keyboard to navigate it. b) I used to like using the print preview screen to work out how documents like spreadsheets would look when printed. In previous versions of Excel I could press Ctrl+F2 to open print preview mode, and then use PageDown and PageUp to move between the pages. I could explore each page with a virtual cursor if I wished. Apart from the fact that I have to use Alt, F, P and then B and F to move the print preview from page to page, the layout of the screen with the Backstage menu at the left, the print dialogue in the middle and the print preview at the right make it almost impossible to work out where my document content begins and ends. A very useful feature is no longer available. 4. Keyboard use, In Outlook's View pane, the controls in the Arrangement group have underlined letters. A control label with an underlined letter usually means you can use the Alt key with the letter to activate the control, but I can't get these to work in this way. I have to use Alt, W, AB to get to the stage where I can use these underlined letters simply as keytips. 5. Keyboard use. Can't save attachments via the Backstage menu unless the item is open; the menu item is greyed out regardless. 6. Focus. If I open a Word/Excel document from Windows Explorer, it doesn't take focus. 7. Outlook - if I move to a day in the Calendar and press Ctrl + N, I get an appointment with the attributes of an event - midnight to midnight - but without the "all day event" checkbox checked. In Outlook 2007 I got a half hour appointment starting at the time set as my default in Calendar Options, which was much more like what I usually need. 8. The colours for focus/selection on the File menu do not make it clear where focus is. Dark blue indicates the presence of a submenu and light blue shows focus, but when focus moves to a submenu, the light blue is lost. Would it be possible to swap the colours around, so focus is easier to establish? Also, the Add-Ins item shows as white text on a light background when focus moves to it. 9. Keyboard use. If I hover the mouse over a lower ribbon command, a tooltip pops up that often includes a keyboard shortcut. I can't find a way to get the same information with the keyboard. Also, I can't find a way to get similar information about items on the BackStage menu, with either the keyboard (my preferred method) or the mouse. 10. Disappointing that keytips haven't been made more intuitive - e.g. in Word, to change the document to Draft view, which is what Normal view is now called, is still Alt, W, E. In almost all cases, the number of keystrokes to achieve something have either stayed the same or increased. 11. Panes that open at the right and left, often don't take focus. E.g. Shift + F7 highlights the current word, opens the Research pane at the right and presents Thesaurus results for the word - but focus stays on the highlighted word. I have to press F6 once or twice, depending on whether the Navigation pane is on screen, to get to it. 12. To change View options, you have to visit the View tab (Draft, Print layout etc), Insert tab (Header/Footer, page numbers) or Reference tab (table of contents, footnotes/endnotes). It would be useful if these were all on the same tab. Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: 01 June 2010 15:26 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 Oh Carol, where to start? Well, Outlook 2010 is considerably more stable than 2007 ever was. I can start browsing folders without the program hanging on me even whilst mail is still being downloaded. The conversations view is far more customisable. There is better handling and management of read receipts, with tracking information added to the original message. Deleted items in IMAP folders are moved to the Trash folder of the mailbox, instead of remaining in the original folder. There is better support for simultaneous calendars excluding Exchange. The format of the program has been improved, so things are in more logical places, for example, the 'from' drop down box when composing messages to specify the sending account. On that note, if you start a new message from within a given mail account's folder, the mail will default to sending from that account for that message, rather than reverting to the default mailbox. This is very handy if, like me, you have 22 separate mail accounts all within the same program. And that's just Outlook. Need I go on? Absolutely loving it. So much more productive than I ever was with 2007. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: 01 June 2010 05:46 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 OK, so please tell us Hussein, about these features??? -- Carol carol.pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx On Twitter: http://twitter.com/songbird49a ---- Original Message ---- From: "Hussein Patwa" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:57 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 > Hi, > > Yes, it has the ribbon interface, even Outlook now, > which was a long> time in coming. I love it. Outlook has so many > features that I wish we had long before now that I can > now use. > > I often have to use a machine with Office 2003 on it > for printing, etc. And going back to it is like > walking into the past, I can never find things and it > all seems so illogical. > > _______________________________________ > Have a pleasant day, > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes, > > Hussein. > > Hussein Patwa > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa > Skype: patwaspotterfan2 > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com > > Find me on Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor > Burke > Sent: 31 May 2010 21:10 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 > > Is it like 2007 with all those ribbons? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hussein Patwa > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:59 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 > > Hi, > > From what I know it should be. I'm using it with a > different screen reader, and I love it. I'm not sure > if Jaws will go down their normal line of requiring an > add-on though to make it work fully. > > _______________________________________ > Have a pleasant day, > > Kind Regards and Best Wishes, > > Hussein. > > Hussein Patwa > Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) > Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) > Twitter: www.twitter.com/hussein_patwa > Skype: patwaspotterfan2 > GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter > Web: www.patwanet.co.uk > My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com > > Find me on Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486 > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike > Moore > Sent: 31 May 2010 13:51 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] MS Office 2010 and JFW 11 > > Hi, > > Is MS Office 2010 Professional compatible with JFW 11 > Standard version? > > TIA, > > Mike > > ** To leave the list, click on the > immediately-following > link:- > ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, > click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq To report this e-mail as Spam, please forward it to: spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. 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