[access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem

Hi

It sounds like you need to understand the difference between a static and
dynamic network.  By using a defined class C address suggests that your
attempting to set up a static network.  Which is ideal for a few machines at
home.  As for hot spots, if you are allowed access, they are likely to be
dynamic thus use DHCP.  Yes, your wireless card requires an unused IP of the
given network and your hard wired Ethernet port also requires an unused IP
address of the given network.

HTH

Gena
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Andy Collins
Sent: 08 March 2008 11:09
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem


Hi Martin

I'm not disputing what you tell me, just trying to understand, so I wonder 
why if I need to turn on admin rites and set the IP address on the laptop, 
why I don't get that kind of message, instead of the one that just says 
"connected with limited access"? Obviously it is the limited access that is 
denying the laptop's connection to the internet.

Sorry If I'm not too clear, but what I was trying to say, was that my PC is 
hard wired, and the laptop wirleess, so yes, I am using the PC to send these

emails; what I did just to see what would happen, was to make the laptop 
wired, by plugging the Ethernet cable in to it, instead of the PC, this way,

I was able to get access to the internet, so doesn't that mean the IP 
address is already established on the laptop?

Regarding IP addresses, you said in an earlier post that I would need to set

the IP on the laptop to the next number up from the IP on the PC, i.e. 
192.168.0.2 or similar, and what I was queerying about hotspots was that if 
I was in a bar that offered connectivity, would I need to know their IP 
address in order to set the laptop IP address in sequence to it?

Insidentally, is it normal for a router to feel what I would call hot or 
very warm, rather than just warm? -

Thanks - Andy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Dudley" <dudleym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem


| Andy
|
| What I am saying is that you will need administrator rights to set the 
| ip address and if you can't see where to change them then you probably 
| dont have the rights to do so and this section would be hidden. 
| Enableing admin rights should sort this out but you will need to 
| follow the instructions
to
| checkand amend if required. Once you have set the  ip etc and can 
| connect via wireless you can then go back and disable admin rights.
|
| Don't know what you mean about hotspots, if your router is in range of 
| the laptop it doesn't matter where it is.
|
| I'm confused as to what you mean over connecting to the network. Does 
| the PC work over the network, if you're using it for these e-mails 
| then obviously yes, but you may not be. If it is the laptop that 
| doesn't connect  then I'm assuming you mean when it is hard-wired, you 
| won't need this if you get the wireless up and running but in the 
| meantime try switching off the router for a moment or two, turn off 
| the PC reboot the laptop and try again.
|
| Martin
|
| Andy Collins recently said:-
|
| >Hi Martin
| >
| >Thanks for these links.
| >
| >Is it necessary then for administrator settings to be enabled for all 
| >computers on a network? I thought if the wired PC had this, the 
| >laptop
would
| >just connect with full access, instead of this limited access tsatus 
| >that
it
| >has been showing. I mean, what would happen if I took the laptop in 
| >to a wireless hotspot and wanted to connect, I wouldn't know the IP 
| >address
for
| >the hotspot!
| >
| >At the moment, I can't even get it to connect to the network, this 
| >has happened sinse I unplugged the Ethernet cable from the PC and 
| >plugged it
in
| >to the laptop, and then back in to the P C. Do you think I've messed 
| >the network up by doing this? I didn't change the port on the router, 
| >leaving the cable plugged in to the original one -
| >
| >Andy
| >----- Original Message -----
| >From: "Martin Dudley" <dudleym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:38 AM
| >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem
| >
| >
| >| Andy
| >|
| >| As I mentioned earlier I know nothing of vista but according to the
| >article
| >| at
http://www.lockergnome.com/windows/2006/10/18/configure-tcpip-in-vista/
| >| it seems the same as xp.  The only reason I can think of as to why 
| >| the
ip
| >| configuration area is not available is that your administrator
priveleges
| >| have not been enabled. You can follow the instruction shown at
| >| 
http://www.tech-faq.com/enable-windows-vista-administrator-account.shtml
| >to
| >| check this and change settings if required.
| >|
| >| As well as the ip address you'll need to enter your subnet mask 
| >| which
you
| >| will be able to get via your router or if you fire up your PC, go 
| >| to a command prompt by start menu, run, and type in cmd. when in 
| >| the command window type in  ipconfig. Your ip address and subnet 
| >| mask will be displayed. To exit from the command prompt just type 
| >| in exit.
| >|
| >| Martin
| >|
| >|
| >| Andy Collins recently said:-
| >|
| >| >Hi Martin -
| >| >
| >| >The OS is Vista on the laptop, and I can't find a tab for IP, 
| >| >there
are
| >only
| >| >2 pages under properties one is connection, and the other is 
| >| >security.
| >Under
| >| >connection, it just shows check boxes for connecting when in range 
| >| >or
to
| >a
| >| >prefered network, nothing about setting the IP address -
| >| >
| >| >Andy
| >| >----- Original Message -----
| >| >From: "Martin Dudley" <dudleym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:02 PM
| >| >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Start menu
| >| >| settings
| >| >| control panel
| >| >| Network connections
| >| >| highlight wireless connection
| >| >| press alt-enter to get into properties
| >| >| scroll down to internet protocol (TCP-IP)
| >| >| tab to properties and press enter
| >| >| there you will find the radio buttons for setting ip to auto or
manual.
| >| >| select the manual tcp-ip and enter your ip address. If you are 
| >| >| going
to
| >| >use
| >| >| your PC and laptop together make sure your PC  hasn't already 
| >| >| been allocated the same ip address, you may have to set your pc 
| >| >| address
| >| >manually
| >| >| as well, try it out and see first.
| >| >| I don't think you'll need to set dns to manual so just tab past 
| >| >| this
| >and
| >| >| the advanced button and OK the new ip setting when done.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Martin
| >| >|
| >| >| Andy Collins recently said:-
| >| >|
| >| >| >Hi Martin - where do I look on the laptop to set the IP?
| >| >| >
| >| >| >Thanks  -
| >| >| >
| >| >| >Andy
| >| >| >----- Original Message -----
| >| >| >From: "Martin Dudley" <dudleym@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 9:56 AM
| >| >| >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network problem
| >| >| >
| >| >| >
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Andy
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Have you set the ip address on your laptop to be in the range 
| >| >| >| of
the
| >| >| >| router? In my experience the router does not allow the 
| >| >| >| setting
| >"obtain
| >| >ip
| >| >| >| address automatically" The router will probably have a range 
| >| >| >| of
| >| >| >192.168.0.#
| >| >| >|  or very similar. You need to set the ip on your laptop to be 
| >| >| >| the
| >next
| >| >in
| >| >| >| the rangeie:
| >| >| >| router ip 192.168.0.1
| >| >| >| Laptop ip 192.168.0.2
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Hope this helps.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Martin
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| Andy Collins recently said:-
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >Hi Chris - Yes, I was able to enter the wep key there, and 
| >| >| >| >after
| >that
| >| >I
| >| >| >got
| >| >| >| >the message that it was searching for the ip address, but 
| >| >| >| >that
| >screen
| >| >| >just
| >| >| >| >sat there, with no further messages! -
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >Andy
| >| >| >| >----- Original Message -----
| >| >| >| >From: "Chris Hallsworth"
<christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >| >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >| >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:51 PM
| >| >| >| >Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network 
| >| >| >| >problem
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| Hi, this is where, like you said, you need to enter the 
| >| >| >| >| wep
key.
| >I
| >| >also
| >| >| >| >| stated that you should be able to enter the wep key 
| >| >| >| >| through
your
| >| >| >| >| connection's properties. Hope that helps.
| >| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| >| Andy Collins wrote:
| >| >| >| >| > Hi Chris - I was given the option to save this network, 
| >| >| >| >| > and
| >| >connect
| >| >| >| >| > automatically; what the problem is, is that the laptop 
| >| >| >| >| > has
| >| >connected
| >| >| >to
| >| >| >| >the
| >| >| >| >| > network, but hasn't got access to the internet. It looks
like I
| >| >need
| >| >| >to
| >| >| >| >do
| >| >| >| >| > something so that the laptop has access to the internet 
| >| >| >| >| > when
on
| >| >the
| >| >| >| >| > etwork  -
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > Andy
| >| >| >| >| > ----- Original Message -----
| >| >| >| >| > From: "Chris Hallsworth"
| ><christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >| >| > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| >| >| >| >| > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:15 PM
| >| >| >| >| > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Laptop connection to network
problem
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >| > | Hi Andy, although this wireless connection I use here 
| >| >| >| >| > | uses
| >| >| >| >WPA-personal,
| >| >| >| >| > | another type of encryption, you may want to look in 
| >| >| >| >| > | your
| >| >wireless
| >| >| >| >| > | connection's properties, under the security page. You 
| >| >| >| >| > | may
be
| >| >able
| >| >| >to
| >| >| >| >| > | enter the wep key there. I know you can enter this
network's
| >| >| >| >| > | WPA-personal key there as well, so this is just a stab 
| >| >| >| >| > | in
the
| >| >dark.
| >| >| >| >| > | Going back to your "connect to" query, when you first
connect
| >to
| >| >| >the
| >| >| >| >| > | network you should have been given options to "save 
| >| >| >| >| > | the
| >| >network",
| >| >| >| >| > | "connect to the network automatically", etc. If not, 
| >| >| >| >| > | you
may
| >| >again
| >| >| >be
| >| >| >| >| > | able to set these in the connection's properties. If 
| >| >| >| >| > | you
want
| >to
| >| >| >know
| >| >| >| >| > | how to get there in the first place, give us a shout. 
| >| >| >| >| > | Hope
| >that
| >| >| >helps.
| >| >| >| >| > |
| >| >| >| >| > | Andy Collins wrote:
| >| >| >| >| > | > Hi all -
| >| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| >| > | > When I try to 'connect to a network' with my laptop, 
| >| >| >| >| > | > I
get
| >the
| >| >| >| >message:
| >| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| >| > | > "connection unsuccessful. This computer is connected 
| >| >| >| >| > | > to
| >[SSID
| >| >| >name]
| >| >| >| >but
| >| >| >| >| > does
| >| >| >| >| > | > not have access to the internet - this might be 
| >| >| >| >| > | > cause by
an
| >| >| >| >incorrect
| >| >| >| >| > wep
| >| >| >| >| > | > key"
| >| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| >| > | > If it is to do with the wep key, then what do I need 
| >| >| >| >| > | > to
do?
| >I
| >| >| >used a
| >| >| >| >wep
| >| >| >| >| > key
| >| >| >| >| > | > when setting up the router, but haven't been asked 
| >| >| >| >| > | > for
one
| >| >when
| >| >| >| >trying
| >| >| >| >| > to
| >| >| >| >| > | > connect with the laptop.
| >| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| >| > | > All ideas welcomed -
| >| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| >| > | > Andy
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