Hi Barry Ok I do apologise for the language-----Original Message----- From: Barry Toner
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 9:35 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal Wo,Andrew, seriously understand your frustration, try to mind the language. I know it's hard when you're feeling really miffed. I'm from Norn Ireland, on a par with Scotland when it comes to colourful language, and I'm not shy of using it myself.
Also folks, this threads running a wee bit, perhaps it's coming time to start wrapping it up.
Regards, Barry.
-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of andrew shipp Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:05 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal some people find it worth to continue with life. and some of us don't and I'm one of those. Life is shit. -----Original Message----- From: angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:23 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal Don't you ever talk like that ever. I am scolding you right now. Of course it is worth going on. You can figure a way around this little thing with which you are faced. We got along as blind people long before there were the fancy ATM machines and point of sail machines, and you can now as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal > it most likely is a good way to do it, but then some of the support > workers say they still know my pin number, I have asked for these ones > that say this not to work with me anymore. I honestly cannot feel any > thing on the ATM machines what so ever. I can tell that something is > there but don't know what unles I'm told. with my fingers like this and > no feeling in my feet what so ever, I ask is it worth going on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ANDY COLLINS > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:09 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal > > Andy - Can you not feel the buttons on the touch pad at all. I ask because > in your first message on this topic, you talked about not being able to > feel > the dot on the number 5 button. Isn't it possible for you support worker > to > put your finger onn the number 5, so you know where you are from there? > Thus > avoiding telling others your pin - > > Andy > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:00 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal > > >> Hi Clive, But the support workers don't use my card without me there, I >> carry the cards with me, the only time they touch it is when I am >> either with drawing money or paying for things, once the transaction >> is done they give me the card right back. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Clive Jacobs >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:22 PM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal >> >> Hi Andy, as a lot of others have said it is not illegal to ask somebody >> else >> to use your card provided it is with your permission each time it is >> used. >> It will almost certainly be a breach of the bank's terms and conditions >> and >> in the event of your card being used without your consent there would be >> no >> redress from the bank to reimburse you for any loss. >> >> It is sad that the rules no longer permit carers to withdraw money for >> you >> but it is designed or is intended to offer some protection from potential >> fraud being perpetrated on vulnerable adults. The CRB checks do not >> guarantee a clean bill of health. The cynic in me says that there are a >> small number of dodgy characters out there and that a CRB check and a >> clean >> record are merely an indication that to date the person has not been >> found >> out yet. >> >> As others have suggested it is always a good idea to pop into the local >> branch of your bank or building society and speak to a senior employee >> within the branch to explain your particular circumstances. Like you I >> too >> suffer from some lack of sensation in the fingers and our local branch >> of >> our bank have tried to be flexible and to work around the problem and i >> now >> use a chip and sign card. It is still not always ideal and still causes >> me >> the odd problem once in a while, but when the banks and carers seem to be >> less than helpful where common sense should prevail, often the nanny >> state >> steps in and logic and reason vanish over the horizon. >> >> Hope this helps, Clive. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> I ain't dead yet! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:29 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal >> >> >>> yes I understand all that. but if all the support workers are CRB >>> checked then this is saying that they are safe. I've got about >>> twelve support workers here and not one of them uses my card without >>> me being there. every one of them is 100% trust worthy a very rare >>> thing these days to find >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:18 AM >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal >>> >>> Hi Andrew. >>> >>> Well, strictly speaking it is against the terms and conditions of the >>> contract with your bank, which usually states that only you should know >>> your >>> pin number, however if you do choose to give your pin number to your >>> support >>> worker, it'll be a question of trust. If your support worker should >>> dame to >>> betray that trust by using your cards in a fraudulent manor, the bank is >>> under no obligation to refund you for any transactions made while the >>> pin >>> number has been used, because the card has to be present for such >>> transactions. In this respect and this respect only, chip and pin is >>> potentially more risky to use than the signature strip method, where you >>> have to hand your card to a cashier to be swiped because a cashier >>> doesn't >>> need to see the card when paying using a terminal. >>> >>> All the best and if you do have specific problems with your hands, you >>> should ask your bank about alternatives to withdrawing money if you >>> don't >>> want to take unnecessary risks. >>> >>> All the best, Ibrahim. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: andrew shipp >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:37 AM >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [access-uk] Is it illegal >>> >>> Hi All, does anyone know if it is 100% illegal for your support >>> worker to put your pin number in the ATM or in one of the pin >>> machines >>> in a shop? I am diabetic and have berry bad neuropathy which is >>> affecting my fingers now meaning that I cannot feel things >>> properly, >>> such as the little pip on the number five. I am so determined to >>> fight the place where I live over this. I look forward to any help >>> regarding this problem. Many thanks in advance. 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