[access-uk] Re: Is it illegal

Wo,

Andrew, seriously understand your frustration, try to mind the language.  I 
know it's hard when you're feeling really miffed.  I'm from Norn Ireland, on a 
par with Scotland when it comes to colourful language, and I'm not shy of using 
it myself.

Also folks, this threads running a wee bit, perhaps it's coming time to start 
wrapping it up.

Regards,
Barry.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of andrew shipp
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:05 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>
> some people  find it worth to continue  with life.  and some of us
> don't
> and I'm one of those.   Life is shit.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:23 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>
> Don't you ever talk like that ever.  I am scolding you right now.  Of
> course
> it is worth going on.  You can figure a way around this little thing
> with
> which you are faced.  We got along as blind people long before there
> were
> the fancy ATM machines and point of sail machines, and you can now as
> well.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:14 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>
>
> > it most likely is a good way to do it,  but then some of the support
> > workers say  they still know  my pin number,  I have asked for these
> ones
> > that  say this  not to work with me anymore.  I honestly  cannot feel
> any
> > thing  on the ATM  machines what so ever. I can tell that something
> is
> > there but don't know what unles  I'm told.  with my fingers like this
> and
> > no feeling in my feet what so ever,  I ask is it worth  going on.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ANDY COLLINS
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:09 PM
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
> >
> > Andy - Can you not feel the buttons on the touch pad at all. I ask
> because
> > in your first message on this topic, you talked about not being able
> to
> > feel
> > the dot on the number 5 button. Isn't it possible for you support
> worker
> > to
> > put your finger onn the number 5, so you know where you are from
> there?
> > Thus
> > avoiding telling others your pin -
> >
> > Andy
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:00 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
> >
> >
> >> Hi Clive,  But the support workers don't use my card without me
> there, I
> >> carry the  cards with me,  the only time they  touch  it is when I
> am
> >> either with drawing  money  or paying for things,  once the
> transaction
> >> is done they give me  the card right back.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Clive Jacobs
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:22 PM
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
> >>
> >> Hi Andy, as a lot of others have said it is not illegal to ask
> somebody
> >> else
> >> to use your card provided it is with your permission each time it is
> >> used.
> >> It will almost certainly be a breach of the bank's terms and
> conditions
> >> and
> >> in the event of your card being used without your consent there
> would be
> >> no
> >> redress from the bank to reimburse you for any loss.
> >>
> >> It is sad that the rules no longer permit carers to withdraw money
> for
> >> you
> >> but it is designed or is intended to offer some protection from
> potential
> >> fraud being perpetrated  on vulnerable adults. The CRB checks do not
> >> guarantee a clean bill of health. The cynic in me says that there
> are a
> >> small number of dodgy characters out there and that a CRB check and
> a
> >> clean
> >> record are merely an indication that to date the person has not been
> >> found
> >> out yet.
> >>
> >> As others have suggested it is always a good idea to pop into the
> local
> >> branch of your bank or building society and speak to a senior
> employee
> >> within the branch to explain your particular circumstances. Like you
> I
> >> too
> >> suffer  from some lack of sensation in the fingers and our local
> branch
> >> of
> >> our bank have tried to be flexible and to work around the problem
> and i
> >> now
> >> use a chip and sign card. It is still not always ideal and still
> causes
> >> me
> >> the odd problem once in a while, but when the banks and carers seem
> to be
> >> less than helpful where common sense should prevail, often the nanny
> >> state
> >> steps in and logic and reason vanish over the horizon.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps, Clive.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I ain't dead yet!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:29 AM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
> >>
> >>
> >>> yes I understand  all that.  but if all the support workers  are
> CRB
> >>> checked  then  this is saying  that  they  are safe.  I've got
> about
> >>> twelve support workers here  and not one of them  uses  my card
> without
> >>> me being there. every one of them is 100% trust worthy  a very
> rare
> >>> thing these days to find
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu
> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:18 AM
> >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
> >>>
> >>> Hi Andrew.
> >>>
> >>> Well, strictly speaking it is against the terms and conditions of
> the
> >>> contract with your bank, which usually states that only you should
> know
> >>> your
> >>> pin number, however if you do choose to give your pin number to
> your
> >>> support
> >>> worker, it'll be a question of trust.  If your support worker
> should
> >>> dame to
> >>> betray that trust by using your cards in a fraudulent manor, the
> bank is
> >>> under no obligation to refund you for any transactions made while
> the
> >>> pin
> >>> number has been used, because the card has to be present for such
> >>> transactions.  In this respect and this respect only, chip and pin
> is
> >>> potentially more risky to use than the signature strip method,
> where you
> >>> have to hand your card to a cashier to be swiped because a cashier
> >>> doesn't
> >>> need to see the card when paying using a terminal.
> >>>
> >>> All the best and if you do have specific problems with your hands,
> you
> >>> should ask your bank about alternatives to withdrawing money if you
> >>> don't
> >>> want to take unnecessary risks.
> >>>
> >>> All the best, Ibrahim.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: andrew shipp
> >>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:37 AM
> >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Is it illegal
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,     does anyone know if it is  100% illegal   for your
> support
> >>> worker  to put your pin number in  the ATM or  in one of the pin
> >>> machines
> >>> in a shop?  I am diabetic  and have berry bad neuropathy   which is
> >>> affecting  my  fingers  now  meaning that I cannot feel  things
> >>> properly,
> >>> such  as the little   pip  on the number  five. I am so
> determined to
> >>> fight   the place where I live over this.  I  look forward to  any
> help
> >>> regarding  this problem.   Many  thanks in advance. Andy S
> >>>
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