[access-uk] Re: Is it illegal

Hi Andrew,

How about taking a pack of bump-ons with you and getting your care worker to
place one onto the 5 each time you visit an ATM?

I did this at the gym, for the controls on the machines and they often
remain on, especially if you use the clear ones!

Not ideal, but may help. It may then be worth bringing this up with your
bank.

Kindest,

Mike 

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
andrew shipp
Sent: 10 July 2011 15:47
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal 

yes ok I  know what your saying,  but it  is the  manager  that has done
this.  so I am determined  to fight it and get it reverse.  I only wish I
could stick to one support worker  but  I don't think it is an option for 
me.  might look in to it though.   Thanks Clive.  take care  Andy S

-----Original Message-----
From: Clive Jacobs
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:39 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal

Hi Andy, I guess this is a compromise as good as any. Perhaps restricting
access to your PIN  to one carer is an option although there is of course no
guarantee that this number will remain confidential and not mentioned to
another unauthorised person. It is down to trust and placing trust in a
select few perhaps.

It is not ideal and it can get very frustrating at times. Tomorrow is
another day after all and who knows what the new day will bring. Regards to
you, Clive.



--
I ain't dead yet!
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:00 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal


> Hi Clive,  But the support workers don't use my card without me there, 
> I carry the  cards with me,  the only time they  touch  it is when I 
> am either with drawing  money  or paying for things,  once the 
> transaction is done they give me  the card right back.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clive Jacobs
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:22 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>
> Hi Andy, as a lot of others have said it is not illegal to ask 
> somebody else to use your card provided it is with your permission 
> each time it is used.
> It will almost certainly be a breach of the bank's terms and 
> conditions and in the event of your card being used without your 
> consent there would be no redress from the bank to reimburse you for 
> any loss.
>
> It is sad that the rules no longer permit carers to withdraw money for 
> you but it is designed or is intended to offer some protection from 
> potential fraud being perpetrated  on vulnerable adults. The CRB 
> checks do not guarantee a clean bill of health. The cynic in me says 
> that there are a small number of dodgy characters out there and that a 
> CRB check and a clean record are merely an indication that to date the 
> person has not been found out yet.
>
> As others have suggested it is always a good idea to pop into the 
> local branch of your bank or building society and speak to a senior 
> employee within the branch to explain your particular circumstances. 
> Like you I too suffer  from some lack of sensation in the fingers and 
> our local branch of our bank have tried to be flexible and to work 
> around the problem and i now use a chip and sign card. It is still not 
> always ideal and still causes me the odd problem once in a while, but 
> when the banks and carers seem to be less than helpful where common 
> sense should prevail, often the nanny state steps in and logic and 
> reason vanish over the horizon.
>
> Hope this helps, Clive.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> I ain't dead yet!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:29 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>
>
>> yes I understand  all that.  but if all the support workers  are CRB 
>> checked  then  this is saying  that  they  are safe.  I've got about 
>> twelve support workers here  and not one of them  uses  my card without 
>> me being there. every one of them is 100% trust worthy  a very  rare 
>> thing these days to find
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:18 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal
>>
>> Hi Andrew.
>>
>> Well, strictly speaking it is against the terms and conditions of the
>> contract with your bank, which usually states that only you should know 
>> your
>> pin number, however if you do choose to give your pin number to your 
>> support
>> worker, it'll be a question of trust.  If your support worker should dame

>> to
>> betray that trust by using your cards in a fraudulent manor, the bank is
>> under no obligation to refund you for any transactions made while the pin
>> number has been used, because the card has to be present for such
>> transactions.  In this respect and this respect only, chip and pin is
>> potentially more risky to use than the signature strip method, where you
>> have to hand your card to a cashier to be swiped because a cashier 
>> doesn't
>> need to see the card when paying using a terminal.
>>
>> All the best and if you do have specific problems with your hands, you
>> should ask your bank about alternatives to withdrawing money if you don't
>> want to take unnecessary risks.
>>
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: andrew shipp
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:37 AM
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Is it illegal
>>
>> Hi All,     does anyone know if it is  100% illegal   for your support
>> worker  to put your pin number in  the ATM or  in one of the pin machines
>> in a shop?  I am diabetic  and have berry bad neuropathy   which is
>> affecting  my  fingers  now  meaning that I cannot feel  things properly,
>> such  as the little   pip  on the number  five. I am so    determined  to
>> fight   the place where I live over this.  I  look forward to  any help
>> regarding  this problem.   Many  thanks in advance. Andy S
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