[access-uk] Re: Is it illegal

  • From: "Barry Hill" <barry.hill3@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:25:38 +0100

I didn't realise that you were trusting 12 support workers with your pin
number.  To trust more than one is a risk for both you and them, regardless
of CRB checks and your judgment.  Both can be wrong.  A CRB check only means
that the person hasn't been caught doing something dodgie, it doesn't mean
that they are not capable.

If you gave your pin to more than one person and, on the off chance, money
did go missing, then each could blame the other.  

I have thought of an alternative that might work.  Perhaps someone could
make up a jig that could go over the pin machine that you could put your
fingers through so that you could put the pin in yourself.  Awkward, I can
imagine, but would it be possible?

Cheers

Barry


-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
andrew shipp
Sent: 10 July 2011 9:29 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal 

yes I understand  all that.  but if all the support workers  are CRB 
checked  then  this is saying  that  they  are safe.  I've got about  twelve

support workers here  and not one of them  uses  my card without me being 
there. every one of them is 100% trust worthy  a very  rare  thing  these 
days to find

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:18 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Is it illegal

Hi Andrew.

Well, strictly speaking it is against the terms and conditions of the
contract with your bank, which usually states that only you should know your
pin number, however if you do choose to give your pin number to your support
worker, it'll be a question of trust.  If your support worker should dame to
betray that trust by using your cards in a fraudulent manor, the bank is
under no obligation to refund you for any transactions made while the pin
number has been used, because the card has to be present for such
transactions.  In this respect and this respect only, chip and pin is
potentially more risky to use than the signature strip method, where you
have to hand your card to a cashier to be swiped because a cashier doesn't
need to see the card when paying using a terminal.

All the best and if you do have specific problems with your hands, you
should ask your bank about alternatives to withdrawing money if you don't
want to take unnecessary risks.

All the best, Ibrahim.

-----Original Message----- 
From: andrew shipp
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:37 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Is it illegal

Hi All,     does anyone know if it is  100% illegal   for your support
worker  to put your pin number in  the ATM or  in one of the pin machines
in a shop?  I am diabetic  and have berry bad neuropathy   which is
affecting  my  fingers  now  meaning that I cannot feel  things  properly,
such  as the little   pip  on the number  five. I am so    determined  to
fight   the place where I live over this.  I  look forward to  any help
regarding  this problem.   Many  thanks in advance. Andy S

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