But the phones are very expensive.----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs Actually no, had a few updates in the last two months, each with new features, and no charge. So in total it's cost me less than £40 including the postal codes. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:05 PM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs
Hi Peter, You had to pay just for postal codes? Wow what happens when they come out with updates? Bet you'll have to pay for them too. Only cheap on the surface. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf OfPeter Holdstock Sent: Thursday 31 December 2009 14:01 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs It does support seven digit postal codes. I use it myself, although I did have to pay £1.30 for the privilage of it accepting postal codes. peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:54 PM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Ibrahim, The only app that is remotely accessible with the iPhone as far as GPS is concerned, is Navigon. It's biggest downfall is that it doesn't support postal codes. It is American and they don't think postal codes are important from what I can see. None of the blindness related productssupport postal codes either, so Wayfinder in my view is the best out thereat the moment. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday 31 December 2009 07:18 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs Hi Steve. I'd also add that with Symbian phones, you've far more choice when it comes to buying applications, there are a handful of stores, independent developers selling their own products etc, your not just buying from a single location as you have to on the IPod and IFone line of products. Also Peter, you talk of gps on the IFone, how accessible and more importantly how much information do you get from the product you mentioned which I can't recall now *smile*. Have you tried wayfinder access for instance? All the best, Ibrahim.----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Ibrahim, Your message and others just illustrates that there are just as many Symbian apps if not more. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday 31 December 2009 07:08 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs Hi Steve. Or, if you can't even be bothered to learn those commands, you could alwaysuse a program like T9Nav, I bought it the other day for just over a fiver for my N86 and its a killer app for saving time and finding those hard toget to functions. All the best, Ibrahim.----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Peter, With respect, that's probably because you didn't take the time to learn Symbian <Smile>. For example, if Contacts is your sixth option in the menu, you don't have to arrow at all, just press the menu and hit 6. If you want the 11th option, hit Star, and the twelfth hit Hash. Bet you didn't know that? If you want the 20th option then life gets a little trickier, but start arrowing up rather than down. Also you can set up to 8 shortcuts on your phone, which can be accessed with single keys, using the joystick and key1 and key2. Because you really wanted to learn the iPhone, you did, and I respect that, but people don't always invest the time to learn Talks and the phone itself. All the best Steve -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On BehalfOf Peter Holdstock Sent: Wednesday 30 December 2009 19:19 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs I'd disagree and say it's a very good interface for the blind. The only downfall is the typing but now that apps such as dragon dictate are around that problem is solved. I can work much quicker using the iphone/ipod gestures then I ever could with Talks, having to try and move around a screen and navigate menus. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:41 PM To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and MacsHi Hussein, You seem to make some assumptions here. I am totally blind and I use the iPod touch. It is not an efficient interface for the blind, but totally usable, and pretty well accessible. But Apple have designed voiceover so that it can be used by totals.It's a good music player, but I wouldn't want an iPhone for example, asfor productivity it really sucks big time in my view. All the best Steve All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hussein Patwa Sent: Wednesday 30 December 2009 02:32 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ipod Touch! and Macs Hi Steve, Thanks for your post. You're the first VI person I've come across using the Touch and I'd be fascinated at just how much of the functionality of the device you are able to use whilst remaining with the stock firmware. If you don't mind my prying, but you must have some residual sight to handle the touch interface? Would you say this is worth considering for others needing to look for a new media player (for example, if my iPod Video ever kicks the bucket) or would it be too difficult to handle? Now for your questions. For video conversion I use AVS Video Converter. It is a paid for solution but offers a wide range of presets you can choose from, including for iPods. It's also accessible with my Supernova screen reader, or easy to see if you are using magnification. No doubt someone will offer a free solution as I'm sure I've heard of one myself, but the name escapes me right now. HTH. _______________________________________ Have a pleasant day, Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Hussein. Hussein Patwa Tel: 0789 47 595 62 (UK) Tel: +44 (0)122 4433 954 (SIP) Skype: patwaspotterfan2 GoogleTalk: thewanderingwriter Web: www.patwanet.co.uk My Blog: http://patwaspotterfan.livejournal.com Find me on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510013486Please note: For security reasons calls from witheld numbers may not beconnected. Please release your number so it can be viewed prior to calling.Contact your telephone service provider for advice on how to do this ifrequired. 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I've listened to a couple of podcasts re this and have got to grips pretty well with it's function and how to get around it. I have a couple of questions however. I know there is a more specialised list which T and T run but wondered if there were many on the list? Also, does anyone have the sub details? Now for my questions: 1 What is the easiest way to get .avi files onto the ipod? I believe they need to be converted first, how do people find the accessibility of these conversion tools? Also, where can I get the most accessible one from?When I go into the music section of the front screen, is there a way toeasily switch between artis, album and song views? How easy is it to set up play lists? Anyone got any suggestions for really cool aps which are free? Also though, any paid ones which, again, are accessible? I am pretty knocked out at how easy the touch screen is to manipulate. As an additional question, how accessible are apple mac computers in general? presumably, there is more facilities in the full blown voice over ap? I hear it is akin to window eyes? So, does that mean you can get the list of links etc in safari?Are there any more tutorials etc for the touch? And my final question,How similar is it to the I-phone? Best wishes. Steve __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4724 (20091229) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4724 (20091229) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. 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