[access-uk] Re: Internet radio update

Hi Ray

Let's just say I agree with you. I can't subscribe to the conceited belief that because you've been in the business for years, it gives you a monopoly on it, or that you know better than anyone else. I don't think, for example, that I know everything because I did journalism. Quite the opposite. I like to learn, and have this theory that you learn something new every day unless you are arrogant enough to close your mind to it.

Moving on, I've seen Scott's notice and have offered to help where I can if I take a mad half-hour and write something.

As for the thread itself, I'm looking into this and will report back if I can get some responses from those I am in touch with.

Jackie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update


Good Jackie you're on to Horizon about this less than satisfactory
situation re. TNAUK.

As for In Touch, two things.  Though I wasn't on the UK Radio list at
the height of the discussion thereit does seem to me that sometimes
broadcasters are too ready to take offence if they think their
established position is in some way being challenged.  I've
experienced too often successful VI people who seem to want to weigh
us all down with the cheer 'gravitas' of their position and the
respect they believe they should command, which often comes over as
petulance.  Quite a few in the VI charity and professional groups
display this tendency.

Still, if that's all a bit hard to bear, then an alternative to some
of what In Touch does may be around soon with a Uk focus.  as Scot
Castledine is starting a review list which will invite users of
equipment to submit reviews in text and audio.  I've some hopes that
this could yet grow into reviews of other things not strictly access
tech as well.  Who knows too:  it might grow into a VI led magazine in
its own right, but I don't actually know what Scot might intend for
the future.

I'll post his email to the UK-Radio group after this one - (and he's
told me he doesn't mind his message being sent to to other lists.)

From Ray
I can be contacted off-list at:
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-----Original Message-----
Jackie Cairns
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update


Indeed Terry.  I have a contact with a lady in Holland at Solutions
Radio, and will be letting her know that TNAUK are prepared to sell a
web radio to anyone over and above the chosen 15 trialists who are
daft enough to buy one.

This would be the very sort of story the likes of In Touch should
investigate, but I upset someone recently when I dared to criticise
that programme, so perhaps it isn't worth speaking out after all.
Can't have anyone chucking more toys out the pram can we?

Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Clasper
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:41 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update


Jackie when I met with the lady from Solutions Radio I did say that it
was crucial that people could independently add stations.
I tell you the mainstream market wouldn't get away with this.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie Cairns
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:07 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update


Terry, I asked Luke to repeat exactly what he meant to ensure I was
hearing it correctly while I processed the information.  But that's
what he said.

Relaying the infomation to Ian after my call, he made a very valid
point.  He said he would want to know what would happen if you bought
a radio off them, and didn't subscribe to their newspapers service, as
we currently don't.  Ian wondered if they would then decline to put
stations into the radio if you wanted them to, or whether they would
continue to support its existence.

The other thing we don't like about this is the fact you have to keep
getting TNAUK to put the stations in you come across.  We would feel a
lack of control of the whole thing personally.

To me, this whole thing has the makings of a good story somewhere, but
then maybe it's my journalistic gut working overtime (smile).

Incidentally Terry, sorry I didn't get to tell you what the Eurosport
number was for the tennis last week.  By the time I read your Email,
the match was over.  For future reference though, it is 410.

Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Clasper
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet radio update


This sounds crazy,.
They are either having a trial or they are not.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie Cairns
To: Access UK Mailing List
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Internet radio update


Hi All

Pin your ears back as I have an update that might be of interest to
some.

My last post to this list on the thread of Internet radios intimated I
would let you know how I got on with a web radio that TNAUK are
trialing.  A couple of weeks ago, they agreed to send me a web radio
when a customer who had finished with their set returned it to them.

At the end of last week, however, I got an Email from Ted Davis to say
that he had a web radio in stock if I wanted to purchase it for
£275.00.  So I thought to myself, in typical Jackie fashion: "Why
would I want to buy a web radio if the trial is still going on, and
nobody has forked out any money for these sets to my knowledge?"  So I
contacted TNAUK today, and spoke to Ted's colleague, Luke.

The full story appears to be this.  TNAUK are lending 15 web radios to
people at the moment to trial.  Anyone over and above those 15 who
express an interest in the box must pay £275.00 for the privilege of
owning one.  The trial ends at the end of February, but, he tells me,
things look "promising."  According to TNAUK, RNIB have come to the
same conclusion as TNAUK that this way forward is the best solution.

I asked Luke how I would be supported with a web radio if I bought
one, and he said that if I wanted an Internet radio station added to
it, I could contact them with the details, and they would have it put
in for me without the radio being returned to TNAUK.  I used the
scenario of wanting Sky Radio in it, and he said this would be
possible.  I then asked about future upgrades and support, and he said
that it depended on what was to happen after the trial.

So my conclusion is that they appear to want to sell you a web box,
but can't guarantee you its lifespan after the trial ends next month
with the 15 recipients who are doing that for nothing.

Since I am under no disclosure, I don't see why you shouldn't be aware
of this information.  But I'm trying to suppress my own thoughts
because I can't decide whether it's me who is going mad, or whether
this whole thing has a very nasty taste about it.

Sorry for the long post, but that's the latest.

Jackie

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