[access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers

Hi Andy,

One place to start looking is here, where they ask just that
question.
http://www.bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk/guides/starthere2.htm 

And that took me all of 30 seconds to find on Google,
looking for "PCs with no operating system"

George.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
Sent: 14 April 2006 09:07
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers

Hi George.

Like the good old days with 95 eh?  Yes, I'd agree strongly
with you there
George.  It would be nice to buy a computer and only have on
it what you
need or want.  But where would you buy such a creature?

Andy



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:24 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers


> Hi Andy,
>
> This comes back to my premise that it is best to buy a PC
> with a completely normal copy of Windows supplied.
>
> That is to say not a recovery disk situation.
>
> This OEM or recovery disk garbage is O.K. up to a point,
but
> while it may reduce the price a shade or three, it's
> basically an adulterated copy of Windows that forces you
> back to an "out of the shop" system.  That covers their
> backsides with Trading Standards and the Sales of Goods
Act.
>
> I am seeing more and more press about the demand for
systems
> which do NOT have an operating system installed at all,
and
> users use a genuine 100% copy of Windows XP of their own
> choosing.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue
> Sent: 13 April 2006 21:15
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers
>
> Hi Martin.
>
> My computer is a Packard Bell from PC World.  However, I
did
> not get a
> Recovery Disk with the computer, I've got to press F11 on
> boot-up to format
> back to factory settings.  Are you saying Martin that
during
> this process,
> my wife, who is normally undertaking the task, is asked
> which type of
> restore I'd fancy?  It would be great to do a restore and
> leave all the junk
> obehind.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> Andy
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:36 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers
>
>
> > HI .
> >
> > In my experience with pc world machines, and I've had a
> few, the Norton
> > products are usually under something called active doc,
> which is a set of
> > aps meant to help the user.  In my experience there are
> usually two ways
> of
> > installing xp on a Packard bell, one is with junk, and
the
> other is
> without.
> > which you have is determined using the choices offered
> during the initial
> > recovery wizard.  the Norton I saw on all the machines I
> had, one of which
> > was a Packard bell, the other an advent and the third,
my
> current laptop,
> > which is a Toshiba, all have this stuff on it.  the
Norton
> internet
> security
> > is usually 90 days trial.
> >
> > hth
> > Hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > From Martin.
> >
> > Please email me at:
> >
> > m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > Or contact me using skype from
> >
> > www.skype.com
> >
> > my skype name is dobbinequine
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Please visit my website:
> >
> > www.martin-wilsher.co.uk
> >  ---Original Mes-
> > From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:20 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers
> >
> >
> > : Hi Andy,
> > :
> > : I seem to remember you had a Packard Bell from PC
world?
> > : I
> > : F so, then are you using a recovery disk to get data
> back onto the
> > : computer?  If so, I think this is where Norton is
coming
> in.  I have a
> > : similar scenario with a Toshiba laptop.  My advice is
> that if Norton is
> > : on the machine, then uninstalling it can cause a
larger
> headache then
> > : just leaving it there.  Additionally, I really
wouldn't
> bother using
> > : Sygate, as the router will do inbound protection for
> you, and if Norton
> > : is still on the system, chances are that it is Norton
> Internet Security,
> > : and contains a firewall.  Norton may not update
because
> if you activated
> > : it several months ago, it may think the subscription
is
> rapsed - do you
> > : know how long the subscription was for?
> > :
> > : PC World are doing some very strange things with
> systems, like taking
> > : companies like Toshiba who produce ok equipment,
> creating a separate PC
> > : World specific model, putting loads of junk (usually a
> 90 day trial of
> > : Norton Internet Security on it), then selling it to
you
> with a recovery
> > : disk where it is not possible to not install the junk
in
> the first
> > : place.
> > :
> > : As I said, if you can get Norton on there running
after
> a clean recovery
> > : I think this is the way to go.
> > :
> > : Thanks.
> > : Andrew.
> > :
> > : -----Original Message-----
> > : From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > : Of Andy Logue
> > : Sent: 13 April 2006 13:21
> > : To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > : Subject: [access-uk] Internet Security and Routers
> > :
> > : Hi all.
> > :
> > : At Christmas, I bought my wife a wireless router to
> enable her to go on
> > : the
> > : internet with her computer, which is located upstairs.
> She got a
> > : wireless
> > : card installed.  The router is downstairs and my
> computer is attached at
> > : that point.  Since getting this router I have had
> nothing but problems
> > : and
> > : had to re-format several times.  I've also had
problems
> getting rid of
> > : Norton, which came with my computer.  I re-formatted
on
> Sunday and this
> > : time, rather than try to get rid of Norton and use
> Sygate and AVG, I
> > : decided
> > : to just let Norton do it's stuff.  Unfortunately, when
I
> did a live
> > : update,
> > : my computer seemed to crash or stall.  I decided to
> attempt to turn
> > : Norton
> > : off and managed this, in terms of Internet Security
and
> Anti Virus.  I
> > : then
> > : installed Sygate and AVG and my old problems started
> again.  So,
> > : eventually,
> > : to my question.  Is having a router  perhaps causing
my
> problems.  I
> > : mean,
> > : is there any implications when using Sygate, AVG or
> Norton, when you are
> > : attached via a Router.
> > :
> > : I've really had it with this computer and fancy just
> visiting PC World
> > : to
> > : get into dept again, but if the problems I am having
are
> associated to
> > : my
> > : Router, then a new computer would not resolve
anything.
> Any advise or
> > : ideas
> > : would be very welcomed.
> > :
> > : Best wishes.
> > :
> > : Andy
> > :
> > :
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