Hi Andy, One place to start looking is here, where they ask just that question. http://www.bestpricecomputers.ltd.uk/guides/starthere2.htm And that took me all of 30 seconds to find on Google, looking for "PCs with no operating system" George. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue Sent: 14 April 2006 09:07 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers Hi George. Like the good old days with 95 eh? Yes, I'd agree strongly with you there George. It would be nice to buy a computer and only have on it what you need or want. But where would you buy such a creature? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers > Hi Andy, > > This comes back to my premise that it is best to buy a PC > with a completely normal copy of Windows supplied. > > That is to say not a recovery disk situation. > > This OEM or recovery disk garbage is O.K. up to a point, but > while it may reduce the price a shade or three, it's > basically an adulterated copy of Windows that forces you > back to an "out of the shop" system. That covers their > backsides with Trading Standards and the Sales of Goods Act. > > I am seeing more and more press about the demand for systems > which do NOT have an operating system installed at all, and > users use a genuine 100% copy of Windows XP of their own > choosing. > > George. > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Logue > Sent: 13 April 2006 21:15 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers > > Hi Martin. > > My computer is a Packard Bell from PC World. However, I did > not get a > Recovery Disk with the computer, I've got to press F11 on > boot-up to format > back to factory settings. Are you saying Martin that during > this process, > my wife, who is normally undertaking the task, is asked > which type of > restore I'd fancy? It would be great to do a restore and > leave all the junk > obehind. > > Best wishes. > > Andy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:36 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers > > > > HI . > > > > In my experience with pc world machines, and I've had a > few, the Norton > > products are usually under something called active doc, > which is a set of > > aps meant to help the user. In my experience there are > usually two ways > of > > installing xp on a Packard bell, one is with junk, and the > other is > without. > > which you have is determined using the choices offered > during the initial > > recovery wizard. the Norton I saw on all the machines I > had, one of which > > was a Packard bell, the other an advent and the third, my > current laptop, > > which is a Toshiba, all have this stuff on it. the Norton > internet > security > > is usually 90 days trial. > > > > hth > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > > > From Martin. > > > > Please email me at: > > > > m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Or contact me using skype from > > > > www.skype.com > > > > my skype name is dobbinequine > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Please visit my website: > > > > www.martin-wilsher.co.uk > > ---Original Mes- > > From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:20 PM > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Internet Security and Routers > > > > > > : Hi Andy, > > : > > : I seem to remember you had a Packard Bell from PC world? > > : I > > : F so, then are you using a recovery disk to get data > back onto the > > : computer? If so, I think this is where Norton is coming > in. I have a > > : similar scenario with a Toshiba laptop. My advice is > that if Norton is > > : on the machine, then uninstalling it can cause a larger > headache then > > : just leaving it there. Additionally, I really wouldn't > bother using > > : Sygate, as the router will do inbound protection for > you, and if Norton > > : is still on the system, chances are that it is Norton > Internet Security, > > : and contains a firewall. Norton may not update because > if you activated > > : it several months ago, it may think the subscription is > rapsed - do you > > : know how long the subscription was for? > > : > > : PC World are doing some very strange things with > systems, like taking > > : companies like Toshiba who produce ok equipment, > creating a separate PC > > : World specific model, putting loads of junk (usually a > 90 day trial of > > : Norton Internet Security on it), then selling it to you > with a recovery > > : disk where it is not possible to not install the junk in > the first > > : place. > > : > > : As I said, if you can get Norton on there running after > a clean recovery > > : I think this is the way to go. > > : > > : Thanks. > > : Andrew. > > : > > : -----Original Message----- > > : From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > > : Of Andy Logue > > : Sent: 13 April 2006 13:21 > > : To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > : Subject: [access-uk] Internet Security and Routers > > : > > : Hi all. > > : > > : At Christmas, I bought my wife a wireless router to > enable her to go on > > : the > > : internet with her computer, which is located upstairs. > She got a > > : wireless > > : card installed. The router is downstairs and my > computer is attached at > > : that point. Since getting this router I have had > nothing but problems > > : and > > : had to re-format several times. I've also had problems > getting rid of > > : Norton, which came with my computer. I re-formatted on > Sunday and this > > : time, rather than try to get rid of Norton and use > Sygate and AVG, I > > : decided > > : to just let Norton do it's stuff. Unfortunately, when I > did a live > > : update, > > : my computer seemed to crash or stall. I decided to > attempt to turn > > : Norton > > : off and managed this, in terms of Internet Security and > Anti Virus. I > > : then > > : installed Sygate and AVG and my old problems started > again. So, > > : eventually, > > : to my question. Is having a router perhaps causing my > problems. I > > : mean, > > : is there any implications when using Sygate, AVG or > Norton, when you are > > : attached via a Router. > > : > > : I've really had it with this computer and fancy just > visiting PC World > > : to > > : get into dept again, but if the problems I am having are > associated to > > : my > > : Router, then a new computer would not resolve anything. > Any advise or > > : ideas > > : would be very welcomed. > > : > > : Best wishes. > > : > > : Andy > > : > > : > > : > > : ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- > > : ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > : ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > : ** and in the Subject line type > > : ** unsubscribe > > : ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click > on the > > : ** immediately-following link:- > > : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > : ** or send a message, to > > : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > faq > > : > > : ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- > > : ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > : ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > : ** and in the Subject line type > > : ** unsubscribe > > : ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click > on the > > : ** immediately-following link:- > > : ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > : ** or send a message, to > > : ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- > faq > > : > > : > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- > > ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following > link:- > ** > [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on > the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq