[access-uk] Re: In Touch and Technology programs (Was SV and In Touch)

Ray, blame the weather! I don't even know what I'm writing these days. Best shut up! <GRINS>

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Carol, I don't know if I'm understanding you rightly when you say, "those
who can see are by far in the minority", but amongst the registered blind
population those who have some degree of vision are in the majority. That's
not to say that all of those people will be desparately interested in
photography, but some will to some extent.


I shall give the program a listen as, even with my minute amount sight I've
considered buying a digital camara, but haven't got around to it.


I was a bit amused I must say Carol at your tollerance of leting people have
programs you seem to see as being of little interest to most. I'd better be
more accomodating of those guide dogs!


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-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Touch)


Iain,

I totally agree that those who are interested should be able to have such
information on the programme. I would be annoyed only in the fact that,
being congenitally blind, I personally would get very little if anything out
of it and wouldn't really be interested. Sure, I'm prepared to let them
have a programme or two on the visual stuff, but there is a fair amount on
this even from the RNIB, because those who can see a little are by far in
the minority.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 6:59 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: In Touch and Technology programs (Was SV and In Touch)


The point is that surely a the majority of people who have sight
difficulties can actually see to some degree. For such people, if they
have
been involved in any kind of photography before their sight started to
deteriorate, is it not an encouragement for them to know that they can
continue the hobby? I would have thought that photography would in fact be
a
good thing for some people to take up as it encourages the use of the
vision
people still may have. As a congenitally blind person, it doesn't really
have any interest for me as a topic at all but as a congenitally blind (or
even a totally blind) person I am not in the majority even in the
community
of sight loss. If it is indeed the case that a significant number of
people
with sight loss are taking up the hobby, surely it is a legitimate subject
for a magazine programme such as In Touch to cover. Even from an
accessibility point of view, is it not of some interest to hear how a
person
with considerable sight loss masters the working of a camera, digital or
otherwise?


Iain.
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I didn't hear it, truthfully, but it would really annoy me also. <Grins>

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: In Touch and Technology programs (Was SV and In Touch)


Hi Ray,

I just don't really understand quite how In Touch prioritises things.
You
get about three minutes on Sight Village, and tonight, what do we get?
About 15 minutes on photography for the blind.  I tended to agree with
Tink
on that programme that to me, it is pointless if you can't see, but we
all
have our opinions on that.  But 15 minutes' coverage, approximately?
This
seems overkill to me.  Oh well.  I believe that about 2,000 people
visited
Sight Village this year, I very much doubt that many blind people do
photography.  Certainly I would doubt that 2,000 people do it.

But 'nuff said from me.

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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]  On
Behalf Of Ray's Home
Sent: 25 July 2006 12:35
To: Access-Uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] In Touch and Technology programs (Was SV and In
Touch)

Graham raises what's probably a long-standing issue with Radio 4's
coverage of technology issues generally, as well as the more pertinent -
to us - question of reporting it in the context of our needs and
interests.


Radio 4 has tried many a time to do science and technology and I get the
impression that all along the Controller and those close to him/her are
happiest when tech is kept in check by a healthy dose of science.
They've
tried often enough to tackle technology as such, and even I T. Back in
the early 80s we had one program that included a download of a grating
noise broadcast over the air, for recording and loading onto your BBC
micro. Never heard the likes of that since! World Service still does a
tech program and I believe there is a Pod cast to go with it. They
often
use the services of Bill Thompson and the like.


I've a feeling that the answer may well lie in doing something that's
cross network and cross media. In disability coverage generally we have
TV strands, integration into some radio programmes, including You and
Yours, and now, Damon and his friends with Ouch! Pod casts. I think In
touch has to stay as a specialist programme, for who else can
realistically cover things like Braille reform and production on more
mainstream broadcasting? (Although, I do recall that You and Yours did
cover just that once. What an earth did the non-VI audience make of
it?)


Maybe another BBC programme projects called for along the lines of
inclusive technology; technology for all, with an opportunity to
highlight our access needs, in all their guises, and interviews with
people like the high-ups and techies of the banking world and why we
cannot have accessible ATMs - just to name one subject. The beauty and
strength of the Beeb - and one much deplored by commercial competitors -
is its ability to do things like this.


For all I know the mandarins of the Beeb may elect to do such a thing.
the Corporation does move in a mysterious way, and its subject to
fashions
and personalities, not just Celebes. I feel the new controller at R4 is
another example of an attempt, no doubt well meant, to jettison some of
R4's older listeners, but who knows he may be able to be inclusive of
folk
like us as well as the other well known groups who demand a more
'diverse'
approach to programming and presentation.


From Ray
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-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Graham Page


and yet we have programs like In our Time which perhaps assume more historical knowledge of the area being discussed.

Radio 4 does seem happy to offer programs of people with great knowledge
talking about history, philosophy etc. but it seems to shy away from
science
and technical programs as being difficult for most of the audience to
swallow. I can see that trying to deal with the needs of all blind
people


on in touch is tricky but probably I would just combine the show with
you
and yours like some here have suggested.

Cheers


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