[access-uk] Re: Image for Windows

  • From: Keith Barrett <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:05:14 +0100

Hi John,

Well, the quote from the website in my last message says it can do it.

To anser, though, no. I am guessing that what you would do would be to put a boot cd in to the drive and boot from it. The boot cd would contain all that is needed to start a basic command line system (hopefully with speakup).

So you would load the needed components in to memory. Then you would restore or back up which ever is required and when finished, you would reboot.

It is quite normal to be able to load linux from a cd regardless of what is on any hard drive. Ubuntu, grml and many other linux distros allow this.

Perhapse time to get hold of the manual?


On 30/09/2010 15:42, john coley wrote:
Hi Keith, would you not have to have Linux on the system in order for a
linux boot cd to work? Although it's possible to have more than one OS
on a system you can only have one or the other. I've never heard of a
system able to boot using one OS, then load another one.
There is image for windows, which works together with image for dos for
restoring, and there's image for Linux. If they weren't totally separate
programmes for separate systems they would surely be incorporated into
one programme.
I have a feeling that a cd made with image for linux will only see linux
images, not windows images.
John.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barrett"
<lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Image for Windows


Hi John,

Well, instead of booting a dos cd, you should be able to boot a linux
cd, speakup then comes up talking and you give it the required
instructions.


Only snag may be that drive lettering in linux is different so you may
have issues there.

I suppose it just depends on which utilities are included in the linux
boot immage.

It would be worth following up, though, because speakup can work in a
very minimal system and I think you would not find another way of
getting speech so early on.

Perhapse you could start by asking the company if it is possible to
restore a windows system with their linux option. It so, then problem
solved.



On 30/09/2010 15:05, john coley wrote:
Hi Keith, I shouldn't think that would be possible, would it? I can't
see how. It surely would only be relevant to a linux system.
I have just emailed Terabyte Unlimited again, since, judging from their
reference to Linux they misunderstood what I was asking them.
As you haven't come across Image For Windows before I'll explain what is
currently possible using it for a blind user.
It will do either full or partial backups, which can either be saved to
DVD or to another drive.
If saving to DVD there is no problem for a blind user, as it's just a
matter of booting with the DVD. The problem arises if the image is saved
to another drive.
Restoring an image saved to another drive involves making an Image For
Dos recovery CD and booting with it. The programme interface then opens
and it needs to be told where the image is, and where to restore it to.
Since we have no speech feedback in a pre windows environment it isn't
possible to enter the information.
One of the restore options in Image For Windows is Restore Automatic.
This however only works when restoring to drives other than C, since the
C drive is in use and therefore locked.
I have suggested to Terabyte that it would be useful to people in our
situation if it were possible for Image For Windows to reboot the system
once the required information has been entered and restore an image to
the C partition.
The answer to your question is that yes, it's easy to back up to DVD, as
long as you're happy doing that. It just isn't as yet possible for us to
restore images saved to another drive.
John.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barrett"
<lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Image for Windows


Hi John,

I am not familar with this software but could you use the linux
version to restore your hd?

Speakup is a screen review system for linux and can be patched in to
the kernel so that speech comes up early in the boot system.




On 29/09/2010 20:00, john coley wrote:
Hi Everybody, I've emailed Terabyte this evening on the subject of
imaging to another drive, and, more to the point the fact that the
option isn't open to blind users to do that owing to the lack of
speech
in a pre-windows environment. I received a strange reply. See what you
think. I've pasted below both my email to them and their reply.
John.

hi, I am a blind user of Image For Windows. My problem is this.
Although
imaging to DVD works excellently where possible, in situations
where DVD
isn't an option it isn't possible for a blind person, hence a
screenreader user to image to another drive as you in fact
recommend, or
rather it isn't possible to restore an image, due to the lack of
speech
in a pre-windows environment.
Would it be possible for restore settings to be made from within
Windows? It wouldn't seem to be possible as it stands, as when I've
tried it won't work as of course the C drive is in use and
consequently
locked.
It would be wonderful for people in my situation if it were
possible to
make the restore settings, then for Image For Windows to reboot and
restore.
I hope your developers can give this consideration. If you need to get
back to me my email address is johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.
Thanks,
John.
Hello,
Image for Linux has speakup available. The speakup.txt document is
found
in the help folder when you extract image for linux.
Regards,
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