James, I've little trouble at all with what you are saying below, although it could be argued that selling the latest Harry Potter at the price they are doing is, in fact, a considerable subsidy, given the production costs. In this case though, they didn't actually record the book; its just the standard Stephen Fry audio book, but daisified. My main point is that only a charity can in fact sell unabridged audio books at a near level playing field sort of price. Mind you, an off-the -record comment I heard about the audio book industry was that it needs a damned good shake up. It seems it's very happy with the small, but lucrative library and education and other deep pocket buyers, and isn't interested in becoming a mass market industry. Hmmm! Interesting. As for blind people wanting something for nothing or at a much lower price, well, I think a lot actually do want that. Whether that is more characteristic of the blind community I couldn't ossibly say, now could I? Aren't many who won't scough down a free lunch! Cheers, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of James O'Dell There is also a political point here. It is true that RNIB can't afford to sell the books as a "loss leader", but I think perhaps the bigger issue is that they want publishers to come on board with the "same book, same time, same price" philosophy, perhaps in time allowing them to take their fair share of the revenue as well. RNIB selling the book at a discount would simply reinforce the mistaken view that blind people want something for nothing, or at any rate for less than "average" people would pay. Any discounts offered by outlets are not under the control of the publishers, and I think RNIB are wise to do things "by the book", if you'll excuse the pun. There is no point in having equal access to the discounts if this ultimately ends up providing publishers with an excuse not to give us equal access to the material. James ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq