My understanding Andy is that if you buy the book, scan it and retain the copy you've bought, the scan is legal as the book remains your property. So if you give the book to a sighted mate or the scan to a blind one you leave legality behind. ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Collins Sent: 20 July 2007 13:39 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: HARRY POTTER AND ACCESS TO BOOKS Ian, can I just clarify this point about legality? I thought in the usual blurb about no unauthorised copying etc also included taking a digital image, even if it was for one's own use only; a bit harsh this of course for those who want to buy and scan the book! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Macrae <mailto:ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: HARRY POTTER AND ACCESS TO BOOKS Not sure I follow that logic James. Surely if a blind person with a scanner can go into ASDA, buy the book for a fiver and spend the couple of hours or so scanning it, they've been able to take advantage of an offer which is open to everyone else and end up with a legally owned copy of the book. Meanwhile the person without access to that option is paying through the nose with no choice a bout doing so. Added to this is the recent argument there's been over the publishers cover price for the book which is regarded by many people as too high for anyone. And don't forget, hours after the book has been published, there'll be people who have the wherewithal to go and grab it as an illegal scan from the internet for free. Which all goes to show just what a bugger's muddle the whole thing is. ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James O'Dell Sent: 20 July 2007 12:46 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: HARRY POTTER AND ACCESS TO BOOKS There is also a political point here. It is true that RNIB can't afford to sell the books as a "loss leader", but I think perhaps the bigger issue is that they want publishers to come on board with the "same book, same time, same price" philosophy, perhaps in time allowing them to take their fair share of the revenue as well. RNIB selling the book at a discount would simply reinforce the mistaken view that blind people want something for nothing, or at any rate for less than "average" people would pay. Any discounts offered by outlets are not under the control of the publishers, and I think RNIB are wise to do things "by the book", if you'll excuse the pun. There is no point in having equal access to the discounts if this ultimately ends up providing publishers with an excuse not to give us equal access to the material. James http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. = -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more av= ailable at http://www.plus.net = http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.