DJ, I aim this comment at you and the mods, and I'm not overtly trying to be personal when I say that, as good as it can be to have opposing points of view, in Derek's case it seems to be determination to be the last man standing on the field of battle. Maybe it is time to call time on this, but some interesting technical and human rights issues are emerging, in spite of Derek! Cheers, From Ray I can be contacted off-list at: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dj Paddy I can't remember if it was here or Vi Gen, but I'd also asked Derek if you truly believed this was acceptible, if he was happy about it and not just trying to be devils advocate and wanting a debate/argument. Nothing... Dj Paddy Ôà ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Hill" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at home >I also said: > > "Personally, I'd like the added security that the home chip and pin brings > but, as I'm blind, it's not > going to be available for me." > > Any comments on that, Derek? > > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:24 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at > home > > > Barry said > "Someone has already pointed out that the chip and signature is a > voluntary > option," > Actually the reason there is chip and signature is because > some organisations campaigned for it, on the grounds that > there are some people that are not able to use chip and PIN. > > You also said: > > "this new gadget is >not. It's either use it with sight, or tough." > > The fact remains that there is no disadvantage for the blind > customer (and not a one person has proven different) > just same as there is no disadvantage for the chip and signature. > > I do however accept some blind people are *unreasonable* with demands.. > > Regards, > Derek ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq