If access to higher level security is not a service, then the bank could dispose with all security for the visually impaired, and we would still have access to, what you refer to as, banking service. Would this be less favourable treatment? The bank do take on some of the extra risk, but not all of it. It is still up to the individual to prove that they had taken reasonable steps to protect themselves. This means that a visually impaired person is expected to have up-to-date security on their machine and the capability to use it properly, but the users of the ACD devices will not have to. In effect, the ACD could be the only security needed beyond the present set up. The DDA section 19 (1c) states that It is unlawful for a provider of services to discriminate against a disabled person in the standard of service which he provides to the disabled person or the manner in which he provides it to him. Personally, I do think that the chip and signature card is less secure, but, in the case of people who you claim can use a keypad but don't, it is their choice. Where is the choice with the ACD? The only option for *all* blind people is for a less secure system. Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Response from Lloyds TSB re chip & pin at home Barry asked "So, isn't access to higher level security a service?" No the service is access to banking service. How that access is provided, doesn't matter, as long as the customer is treated same as the key pad users. "Isn't being offered a different level of security being offered an inferior service?" No because it's the bank, not the customer, taking on the extra risk, just as they do for chip and signature customers. Do you object to chip and signature if no why not? A customer that is *only* blind, visually impaired, can have a chip and signature card, why should they have this option when they don't need that option do they? Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq