[access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin

my feelings are the same as yours Ray.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin


: Well  Yusuf, I was making a general point arising out of my impression 
that it
: might be a proud sort of independence with some as to why they are less 
than
: happy with help from a cashier or whoever.  In any case, I believe that 
when
: you come to think about it 'independence' in a strictly self-sufficient
: interpretation is pretty unworkable anyway.
:
: As for Braille menus, well we could start another thread there.  I can 
read
: Braille, and I also benefit from large print, but I do not really feel
: affronted by the lack of menus in either of these formats.  I'm happy to 
take
: up staff time with someone going through the menu, or a friend doing so.
: Admittedly there is an art to how they are read out, i.e. I prefer them to 
go
: through the headings first, and when I've ascertained the things I 
definitely
: am not interested in we can go through the things I am interested in.  Its 
not
: ideal, but I cannot for the life of me envisage Braille in particular 
keeping
: up with every change in a menu which might occur in the space of a few 
weeks or
: less.
:
: In short, I'd far rather have proper staffing levels and staff who are 
well
: chosen for their patience and willingness to be helpful, rather than stand 
on
: the principle of accessible formats in these situations.
: Ray
:
: Personal emails:  Email me at
: mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
:
: ----- Original Message ----- 
: From: "yusuf" <yusufaosman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
:
:
:: Ray, Its nothing to do with being proud, at least in my case it isn't. 
Its
:: simply accessability. By that argument why have Braille menues in
:: restaurants and pubs.
:: Yusuf
:
:
:: ----- Original Message ----- 
:: From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
::
::
:: We seem to be going all round the houses with this one, and we've done it
:: before too!
::
:: Tristram is right of course.  Human assistance, usually helpful is there 
at
:: the cash point.  Don't be afraid or too proud to use it.
::
:: On the question of devices communicating wirelessly with a very small 
device
:: we carry around, ;  don't dismiss this idea too lightly.  I could forsee, 
or
:: is it dream? of a device that could do this and more.  Why not something
:: combining EPOS communication with electronic signage - if only this 
pathetic
:: country could get its act together and enable us to identify things when 
out
:: and about.  Maybe too it could be combined and work alongside Sat Nav.
:: Handheld Sat nav devices are already around I believe, and there's even 
been
:: talk, (pub unintended) that a talking hand-held sat nav device might 
become
:: available, I mean a truly hand held one, that is.  Dream on.
:: Ray
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