[access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?

Hi Hussein,

It doesn't give a true representation of the screen, ever.  Let's take a
simple menu bar at the top.

If I look with the Window-Eyes live mouse hotkeys, I see File, Edit, View,
etc, going across the top of the screen which is how it looks visually.

Now try this with Hal.  Go into Virtual focus and you get this:-

File
Edit
View

Etc.

This is a completely false representation of the screen.

And for that reason alone, I dislike it intensely.

Now, tell me a way in Hal that I can see the screen as a sighted person sees
it in terms of layout etc, and I will stand corrected, but their virtual
focus buffers go too far in determining how things should look, rather than
showing you.

This is important to me, if I require help from a sighted person on the
telephone for example.  If they tell me something is at the top left of the
screen, it will never be shown like that in Hal-s virtual buffer.

And that's just one example of Dolphin's "screen reading".  It is rather a
"screen interpreter".  In fact, Window-Eyes to me is the only true screen
reader.  JAWS is a second, but you have to pop in and out of JAWS cursor to
get it.

Just my opinion, and I am not slating any screen reader, but you did ask,
and I say Hal is not a great screen reader for totally blind users.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Hussein Patwa
Sent: Sunday 19 September 2010 20:25
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?

Hi Steve,

As someone who's quite in with the development processes for Dolphin, I'd be
interested in how you feel Hal (or even Supernova) for that matter is not
much use for totals.  I'm not saying I come down one way or the other, just
interested if you have any reasoning for your  points.

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Have a pleasant day,

Kind Regards and Best Wishes,

Hussein.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 18 September 2010 23:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?
> 
> Hi Eleanor,
> 
> Nothing wrong per se, but if you are total, Hal is not that great.  I
> believe dolphin write visually nice products, but they are not a lot of
use
> to the totally blind.  Just my opinion.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Eleanor Burke
> Sent: Friday 17 September 2010 18:25
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?
> 
> What's wrong with Dollphin products then?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:23 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?
> 
> 
> > We'd all have to zoom out and buy Apple Macs and learn a new way of
> > doing it all. That's my backup plan.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of Tristram Llewellyn
> > Sent: 17 September 2010 14:58
> > To: 'access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Freedom Scientific crisis?
> >
> > This was just vicious rumour and of course plenty of people would like
> > to see FS go down out of pure schadenfreude. The other side of the coin
> > is that if that were to happen a lot of people would be up a creek
> > without a paddle and such sentiment would be of little help to those who
> > depend on their screen reader.
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