Christopher, when I get into problems with my yahoo group and need help, I email customers services, they ar unbeleivable good and help me via email, I tell them I am DeafBlind and they have No problem with that, I have Never ever given my phone number. Unless you've actually Tried it, you ought not be so negative, be posative Chris it pays off over and over again, I have only good things to say about yahoo. What have you done with your confidence? Grin. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Facebook - how to make it more accessible > Problem is, unless you don't mind talking to a stranger, you need to > give them your phone number as well as your e-mail address, which can > feel like they're invading your privacy. This is what I felt as I've had > malicious calls, from my mobile, in the past. I appreciate that they're > trying to help, but couldn't they provide a better system? Also, what > about for us deafblind folks who can't even hear the telephone? > On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:05:16 +0100, "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" > <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said: > > Just for reference, Yahoo! does provide a form as an alternative to > > solving CAPTCHAs when registering or recovering account information: > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/fast/help/uk/edit/cgi_access > > > > Hopefully that will help somewhat. You can also send general feedback on > > accessibility issues to Yahoo! with another form: > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/fast/help/uk/accessibility/cgi_feedback > > > > -- > > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis > > > > Ari wrote: > > > I've often seen sites that, just to email a person, or even nowadays to > > > download some software using a form they still want VV! Many sites don't > > > have addresses on because of spam, but the form that you fill in to > > > email people now also requires VV! I once tried to join a cricket game, > > > similar to battrick, can't remember what it was called, had VV, emailed > > > the staff to explain my problem, but got no answer. I think one of the > > > worst sites with VV, and not bothering much about bringing in audio or > > > anything must be yahoo. I'm going to try and set up a facebook profile > > > as I've also been invited by other friends as well. > > > Ari > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" > > > <chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:01 AM > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Facebook - how to make it more accessible > > > > > > > > >> I'll tell you about a similar story. I'm a massive fan of now defunct > > >> Atomic Kitten, but I like their solo members, so I signed up to one of > > >> their forums. Now, because they use visual verification during > > >> registration, I e-mailed them explaining that I was blind and that I > > >> couldn't see the visual verification, and within hours they've set up my > > >> access to the forum! Couldn't believe that such a site would even give a > > >> thought about accessibility as it's about a pop group! Just my two pence > > >> worth. > > >> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:13:56 +0100, "Vanja Sudar" <vanja@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> said: > > >>> This goes even further. I'm very impressed with facebook! I emailed them > > >>> baisicly telling them that I have difficulties signing up because I'm > > >>> blind and am unable to see their visual veryfication and asked if they > > >>> could help. Less than 5 hours after my email they set up my account for > > >>> me! I wish all website/companies were so responsive. I'm definitely very > > >>> impressed! > > >>> Vanja > > >>> http://www.sudar.co.uk > > >>> MSN messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx > > >>> AIM: vanja121 > > >>> Skype: vanja121 > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon > > >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:24 AM > > >>> Subject: [access-uk] Facebook - how to make it more accessible > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hi! > > >>> > > >>> Bit of progress here. > > >>> > > >>> I was banging on about facebook.com the other week. It's the big > > >>> social > > >>> networking site that everyone is talking and writing about. It's good > > >>> in order to network, keep in touch with friends and business > > >>> acquaintances. You can also find like-minded people there and all > > >>> sorts. It seems that if you're not on facebook, you're not a proper > > >>> human being if you are to believe The Guardian. > > >>> > > >>> The main barrier to using it is the verification graphic that you need > > >>> to copy into a box at registration. Once beyond this point, you can > > >>> use > > >>> many of the features but some features have a further verification > > >>> graphic that you need to get past in order to be able to add contacts, > > >>> do email etc. > > >>> > > >>> I can now report, however, that after an email to the support team, > > >>> they have taken away verification graphics for my account. What this > > >>> now means is that I can use all of facebook's services. But at this > > >>> stage it still means you need to be able to read verification graphics > > >>> at the point of registration. Luckily though it's a once only thing > > >>> now > > >>> and they are working on an audio captcha idea. > > >>> > > >>> In order to get the graphics removed, go to the bottom of the page, > > >>> click on help and find the help section about problems with > > >>> registration. Get past all the FAQ stuff, you're looking for a form to > > >>> fill in and send to the team. Within about 24 hours your internal > > >>> verification graphics will be gone for good. > > >>> > > >>> I've started a really informal chat with one of the people there > > >>> who is > > >>> enthusiastic about accessibility too. She tells me she is now in > > >>> contact with a few jaws users and they are really keen to move their > > >>> product on. > > >>> > > >>> They have recently made their Gift Shop accessible. It works well. > > >>> > > >>> Go and give it a go. I urge you. Since being on facebook I have > > >>> collected up around 21 friends and almost on a daily basis I am > > >>> getting > > >>> people who know me or have known me suddnly seeing I'm there and > > >>> adding > > >>> me to their friends list. I realise that talking about it in the > > >>> abstract is just that, rather abstract, so go and give it a go. It > > >>> would be awesome to create a blind network on there. And then > > >>> offshoots > > >>> can come out of, or feed into, that network and it could be really > > >>> positive and interesting. > > >>> > > >>> And we can also help them hone the look and feel of their page, which > > >>> isn't too bad usability wise, but the point is they are listening and > > >>> keen to improve. Great news from a site with real egalitarian > > >>> ambition. > > >>> > > >>> ...Damon > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >>> skype: damonrose > > >>> > > >>> London, England. > > >> Christopher Hallsworth > > >> E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Skype name chrishallsworth7266 > > >> MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx > > >> > > >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> ** and in the Subject line type > > >> ** unsubscribe > > >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > >> ** immediately-following link:- > > >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > >> ** or send a message, to > > >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ** and in the Subject line type > > > ** unsubscribe > > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > > ** immediately-following link:- > > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > > ** or send a message, to > > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > Christopher Hallsworth > E-mail: chrishallsworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Skype name chrishallsworth7266 > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq