[access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services

Would you really delete it after spending three or four hours scanning
it?

Ali


Ali Amasyali
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of yusuf
Sent: 19 April 2005 14:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services


I had a conversation with someone at RNIB about this a while ago and was
told that it was fine for a blind person to scan a library book for
personal use. I think technically the person should delete the book off
their system when theyve returned the original to the library.

Given that my degree was in Middle Eastern history I had to scan %100 of
my 
materials because none of them were available in accessible formats.
Yusuf
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:22 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services


> Angel,
>
>    I'm not completely familiar with the changes to the copyright law, 
> but is scanning permitted by individual people? I'd got the 
> impression, from listening to the copyright notices at the start of 
> recent RNIB Talking Books, that there needed to be a known 
> organisation behind the copying and distribution of any accessible 
> format material. Does anyone know?
>
> Cheers,
> Tink.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:19 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services
>
>
>>I think the copywrite laws allow outfits such as bookshare and the 
>>various  library services for the blind to reproduce their books for 
>>lending.  This  is why we are permitted to scan these books as well.  
>>Probably not all  publishers permit this, which is why I think the 
>>selection is limeted.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:03 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services
>>
>>
>>> Andrew ... if the publishers can't be bothered to make commercial 
>>> versions of the books available to us in accessible formats, then 
>>> they're not going
>>> to get any profit from us.  It's their own fault. They'd rather
>> characterise
>>> us as a problem than come up with an accessible solution it seems.
>>>
>>> I'd dearly love to be able to buy books from my favourite authors 
>>> and have them benefit as a result of my purchase ... and hence 
>>> encourage them to write more books.
>>>
>>> Until businesses stop seeing disabled peple as a problem and start 
>>> seeing
>> us
>>> as a market, and as important, then the ethics of what we're doing 
>>> to gain access to books is something of a side issue.  We can only 
>>> conclude they
>> are
>>> happy with the status quo and are perfectly happy to tolerate what 
>>> we're doing and they'd rather not have our money.
>>>
>>> I find it bizarre.
>>>
>>> ...Damon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:53 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Ethics of book sharing services
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Ok, recent discussion has prompted me to post these questions which 
>>> I wouldn't have necessairly posted, but had thought about when 
>>> hearing of Bookshare et al.
>>>
>>> With Bookshare, you pay a flat fee each year to subscribe to the 
>>> service, which according to interviews with representatives from 
>>> Bookshare etc, they describe it as like a Napster service, but the 
>>> books are all on the Bookshare servers.
>>>
>>> However, with this set-up, does the original author of the 
>>> book/publisher etc get anything back?  How do the publishers let 
>>> these books go onto the site, being that they may not see any of the

>>> money? Furthermore, baring in mind book sales etc, when we download 
>>> a book from Bookshare or another similar service, this does not go 
>>> to the tally of the author, and so the books we read aren't added to

>>> the sales figures. Yes, this last bit is a bit weak, because sighted

>>> people pass books around etc.  However, I am just wondering what 
>>> actually happens?
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>> Andrew.
>>>
>>>
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