yes but government won't fund a UK Bookshare. And a Bookshare is only a half hearted nod towards our needs anyway. Plus the publishers will still get no money out of us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services > I think the copywrite laws allow outfits such as bookshare and the various > library services for the blind to reproduce their books for lending. This > is why we are permitted to scan these books as well. Probably not all > publishers permit this, which is why I think the selection is limeted. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:03 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Ethics of book sharing services > > > > Andrew ... if the publishers can't be bothered to make commercial versions > > of the books available to us in accessible formats, then they're not going > > to get any profit from us. It's their own fault. They'd rather > characterise > > us as a problem than come up with an accessible solution it seems. > > > > I'd dearly love to be able to buy books from my favourite authors and have > > them benefit as a result of my purchase ... and hence encourage them to > > write more books. > > > > Until businesses stop seeing disabled peple as a problem and start seeing > us > > as a market, and as important, then the ethics of what we're doing to gain > > access to books is something of a side issue. We can only conclude they > are > > happy with the status quo and are perfectly happy to tolerate what we're > > doing and they'd rather not have our money. > > > > I find it bizarre. > > > > ...Damon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:53 PM > > Subject: [access-uk] Ethics of book sharing services > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Ok, recent discussion has prompted me to post these questions which I > > wouldn't have necessairly posted, but had thought about when hearing of > > Bookshare et al. > > > > With Bookshare, you pay a flat fee each year to subscribe to the > > service, which according to interviews with representatives from > > Bookshare etc, they describe it as like a Napster service, but the books > > are all on the Bookshare servers. > > > > However, with this set-up, does the original author of the > > book/publisher etc get anything back? How do the publishers let these > > books go onto the site, being that they may not see any of the money? > > Furthermore, baring in mind book sales etc, when we download a book from > > Bookshare or another similar service, this does not go to the tally of > > the author, and so the books we read aren't added to the sales figures. > > Yes, this last bit is a bit weak, because sighted people pass books > > around etc. However, I am just wondering what actually happens? > > > > Discuss. > > Andrew. > > > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ** and in the Subject line type > > ** unsubscribe > > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > > ** immediately-following link:- > > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > > ** or send a message, to > > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq