[access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:22:57 +0100
Hi,
Probably because the update is too big to complete over the air. It does
this sometimes. Just connect to a PC.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Saqib
Sent: Tuesday 8 June 2010 11:34
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
Hi Steve. I have a new firmware waiting to be installed and the updater
will only make it available to update vior PC. I have the E72 and
thought that updates can be done over the air. I have two updates in
software manager and one is the phone update and the other is Ovi
Contacts. Why am I only getting the option of updating from my PC and
not over the air?
Original message:
> Hi Eleanor,
> Moral to that story, buy Sim-free phones <Smile>.
> More expensive, but you always get the latest firmware.
> All the best
> Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
> Eleanor Burke
> Sent: Monday 7 June 2010 14:24
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
> No it does not Steve and Freedom Scientific are aware of this. I cannot
do
> upgrade of firmware as it is Vodafone and indeed I am one behind in the
> firmware upgrade. I also cannot label icons with object viewer and Talks
> for e-mail Unread, Has Attachments etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:48 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>> Hi Eleanor,
>> So what's different about the Mini? Have you tried a firmware upgrade?
It
>> should work with the Mini as well.
>> All the best
>> Steve
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Eleanor Burke
>> Sent: Monday 7 June 2010 09:59
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>> The unfortunate thing about the Focus Blue though is that I now have it
>> and
>> it worked fine with my e71 but when I moved to N97 Mini it does not work.
>> It does work with the N97 though. Not a lot of good to me though.
>> Eleanor
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Taylor" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:17 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>> Here's a quick thought. The next version of Jaws is V12. What will they
>>> do
>>> after that? I've never heard of V13 in anything. I would not be
surprised
>>> if
>>> V12 is the last of Jaws whatever happens. Given that while still being
>>> the
>>> best overall in my view, new releases add less and less, it seems
>>> sensible
>>> to be thinking about a new screen reader with lots of legacy code
removed
>>> and some changes in the UI. Jaws has built on a UI that worked well for
>>> 20
>>> years, and some of it still does, but times, keyboards and requirements
>>> have
>>> all changed so fast in the past few years, now may well be the time for
>>> change for them. That also makes it a great time to sell that division,
>>> especially as Jaws is their only outstanding and market leading product.
>>> Focus 40 Blue is their only good and competitive braille product in my
>>> view,
>>> PAC Mate is also life expired, and they won't be able to upgrade to
>>> Windows
>>> Mobile 7 either!
>>> In short, FS have serious problems with the BLV group, particularly the
>>> blindness products.
>>> It strikes me there is one company out there that is big but doesn't
have
>>> a
>>> screen reader, or its own OCR package, but doesn't need a new note-taker
>>> as
>>> they have a pretty good one of their own! I wonder! lol!
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:06 AM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>> Hi
>>> I've always strived to be open and honest in my views on access kit.
The
>>> bottom line is that we need it in order to make our lives as independent
>>> as
>>> possible. Some of it and the companies who manufacture it are better
>>> than
>>> others, and there isn't such a thing as a perfect world. They don't
>>> always
>>> get it right, and there is room for improvement with everything.
>>> Having said that, however, I personally don't like Freedom's practices
>>> and
>>> the way they treat customers. It never has sat right with me, and it
>>> never
>>> will. I enjoyed working for Sight and Sound for two years, but I always
>>> held that view which takes nothing away from my former employers and the
>>> high regard I have for them as people. As a user though, I have to buy
>>> and
>>> use what I feel is right for me, and while JAWS will continue to be one
>>> of
>>> my tools, there are other and possibly better alternatives that I am
>>> familiarising myself with. Martin has a Mac as well as a Windows PC
>>> running
>>> JAWS, so this is a new adventure and one I am warming to. We have also
>>> purchased Window-Eyes as an alternative to JAWS. They all have their
>>> place,
>>> and I think it is healthy for the industry, not to mention for the
user's
>>> pocket. I just believe that if Freedom are so arrogant that they can
>>> charge
>>> what they like for buggy upgrades that have no significant meaning for
>>> your
>>> average user, then it is time for other products to shine.
>>> That's about as diplomatic as I can be! (smile).
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> J
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> James & Nash
>>> Sent: 06 June 2010 12:53
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>> On 6 Jun 2010, at 11:55, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>>>> and I do believe that alternatives such as Voiceover for the Mac,
>>>> NVDA, Window-Eyes and System Access are beginning to thankfully make
>>>> an impact.
>>> Thank you so much for recognising this. I have been using Voice Over
>>> since
>>> its creation and I can tell you first hand that the latest incarnation
of
>>> Voice Over really has raised the bar not only in terms of expectation
or
>>> accessibility, but also in terms of narrowing (perhaps completely
>>> removing)
>>> the gap between Windows-based Screen Readers and Apple's own endeavours.
>>> I
>>> would like to add a further comment to yours about alternative Screen
>>> Readers making an impact and that is that Orca on Linux has also made
>>> huge
>>> improvements.
>>> As I said, it is really nice to see someone from one of the foremost
>>> Access
>>> Technology providers being so open-minded about alternatives. If only
>>> other
>>> providers and organisations were as willing to do the same at the very
>>> least, the landscape would be very different.
>>> TC
>>> James Lyn Nash & Twinny
>>>> My big issue with them is that they don't appear to care about
>>>> customers.
>>>> They invest thousands of dollars at the expense of visually impaired
>>>> people in taking out law suits against the opposition, and they come
>>>> over as being completely paranoid about their licensing policies.
>>>> There is no doubt that those of us who have invested so much time and
>>>> money in JAWS need that software to enhance our independence. But I
>>>> don't like the FS ethos and apparent gravy train, and I do believe
>>>> that alternatives such as Voiceover for the Mac, NVDA, Window-Eyes and
>>>> System Access are beginning to thankfully make an impact.
>>>> Whether there is any truth in the persistent rumours about Freedom
>>>> will always be nothing but rumour until anything substantive
>>>> materialises.
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> J
>>>> Jackie Cairns
>>>> jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of Barry G
>>>> Sent: 06 June 2010 11:42
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>>> I must say too, a number of people are switching to the competition
>>>> because Freedom seems to be focussing on things like research-it that
>>>> does what you can do perfectly easily using a search engine on the web
>>>> whilst appearing to have left simple things like support in Windows 7
>>>> for word-processor and email to one side. It seems to me like frills
>>>> over basic functionality, which looks to me to be taking your eyes off
>>>> the
>>> ball big time...
>>>> All the best from a continuing JFW user regardless but in hope, Barry
>>>> G
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 3:36 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>>>> Yes JAWS does need to be updated regularly to keep up, but as so many
>>>>> people are having to cover the cost of the upgrades out of their own
>>>>> pocket there is a likelyhood many of them won't be able to afford to
>>>>> upgrade each time. How often do we ear of users using versions much
>>>>> lower than the current version. I am guessing that government
>>>>> departments will probably be the biggest purchaser of JAWS and most
>>>>> of them won't upgrade unless they really need to due to the limits on
>>>>> government spending at the
>>>>> moment in most countries.
>>>>> I've always felt that lowering the price significantly for JAWS would
>>>>> in fact bring in much more revenue for Freedom Scientific because so
>>>>> many people are switching to the rapidly improving competition at a
>>>>> fraction of
>>>>> the cost.
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Neil" <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:37 AM
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: End of Freedom?
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>> Some points: Well really one main point, where did the information
>>>>>> come from?
>>>>>> This isnt referenced anywhere in the statement and I cant find
>>>>>> anything on the web.
>>>>>> Surely Freedoms hardware business would be more likely to be sold as
>>>>>> it cannot be anywhere near as profitable due to the vast amount of
>>>>>> competition in that area.
>>>>>> Supposing that this does turn out to be true I am sure that a buyer
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be found easily. Is Jaws not the most used screen reader worldwide?
>>>>>> Jaws needs constant updates to keep up with the rapidly moving
>>>>>> technology
>>>>>> that is computer software and so a constant revenue stream already
>>>>>> exists
>>>>>> making it a viable business long term.
>>>>>> Undoubtedly there are huge costs envolved in developing the software
>>>>>> for the same reason but as the financial situation has been going on
>>>>>> for around 2 years now would we have seen features like Tandem and
>>>>>> Research It if profitability was becoming a concern?
>>>>>> At this point I think that without more specific and robust
>>>>>> information we should not be concerned.
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>> From: "Otto Zamora"<donttreadonme@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:44:14 -0400
>>>>>>> Morning,
>>>>>>> In an advocate meeting yesterday, the subject came up reference
>>>>>>> Freedom Scientific, the company that among other things sports JFw.
>>>>>>> Because the company is in the state of Florida, it came up on a
>>>>>>> flag by
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> analyst.
>>>>>>> Seems this company is having bad money troubles, not surprising
>>>>>>> given the economy, but talk is that they are now looking to sell
>>>>>>> off some of their division, mainly their JFW area.
>>>>>>> I am not sure who if anyone will buy this division, considering
>>>>>>> that there is an entity now selling a fully integrated package for
>>>>>>> only $700.
>>>>>>> Besides a comprehensive screen reader, if the user chooses to get
>>>>>>> the package, there is a browser, along with a customed and fully
>>>>>>> accessible web sites, word processing, and E mail.
>>>>>>> all of this can apparently be accessed either on line, or as
>>>>>>> individual program.
>>>>>>> ad to that, the entertainment mogill, and you have a powerful tool
>>>>>>> indeed for the kind of money they are asking for.
>>>>>>> Another side of the equation is the apple company, now selling
>>>>>>> computers already with speech on board right out of the box and off
>>>>>>> the
>>> shelf.
>>>>>>> Put these two aspects together, and you have a deadly combo that
>>>>>>> might very well result in a abrupt end to the JFW program.
>>>>>>> Considering the way that technology is growing, older versions of
>>>>>>> JFW, will only work for a short while until the programs
>>>>>>> controlling the OS, begins to outgrow the application.
>>>>>>> In seeing this package, one of the things which was pointed out to
>>>>>>> me, was the learning curve, which for the new package being sold by
>>>>>>> Mr.. Mike Calvo, is very short.
>>>>>>> The user has the option to learn as little or as much as they want
>>>>>>> without real loss.
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