No, Damon, the best they could claim, not just in semantic terms, but as being true is that they have added a fantastic new product to their catalogue. The radio had been launched a month or so earlier by Pure. The equivalent would be if Cadbury's=brought out a fabulous new chocolate bar and Tesco then claimed they'd launched it, when in fact all they'd done was to add it to their stock. Cheers now. Ian -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Damon Sent: 01 April 2005 10:16 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Economical With The Truth? Does this whole thing just hang on the word 'launch' though? Could the case be a case of semantics? Does not launch just mean 'start' or 'begin'. And as far as RNIB is concerned, it is a new product they have added to their catalogue. In the context of RNIB, then, this is a launch isn't it? Does this not overlap with the argument that RNIB's mite and money allows it to trump small businesses run by visually impaired people? Isn't this the real argument today? The straw that broke the camel's back? Interested to hear thoughts and it'd be completely fascinating if, for this one rather amazing and long awaited product, we were abel to get hold of figures to see how many have been sold and through which company? And, perhaps more importantly, is it possible to measure or guestimate how many visually impaired people have bought this product? In order to build a case for blind spending power in the future? ...Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Economical With The Truth? So why not take the case up with the Advertising Standards Authority! George. ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray's Home Sent: 01 April 2005 05:38 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Economical With The Truth? Ian. No, defenitely NO. Such dishonest utterances by RNIB are pure drivel. The credit rests with Pure, and this list, I would say, for this radio appearing. True, RNIB have campaigned for accessability of products, but this New Beacon proclamation is damn lies. Ray Personal emails: Email me at mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Lackie <mailto:ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: [access-uk] Economical With The Truth? Hello, I have just been looking at the current issue of New Beacon and in the New Products and Consumer news section there is a piece about the Pure Digital Sonus-1Xt. Having eulogised about its features, we read the sentence, 'All of this, and much more, is available now from the latest product launched by RNIB. My dictionary tells me that one of the meanings of 'launch' is ''To bring (a new product) on to the market, especially with promotions and publicity'. This product may be new to the RNIB catalogue, but can they really be said to have launched it? Was the radio really available from RNIB before anyone else? Can RNIB take any real credit for this product? It is I am sure agood thing that RNIB is selling the product, but, unless I am mistaken (and this is very likely to be the case), Can RNIB in any truly meaningful sense claim to have launched it? Iain. This Message has been scanned for viruses by McAfee Groupshield. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq