[access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM 30/08/2005

Just to add insult to injury, again on World Service yesterday morning,
and I think radio 4, English voice-overs were included!

David


In message <030601c5aeb5$abdf9f40$0302a8c0@HenriettaMcCullough>, Angel
<angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes
>They showed that nazi documentary over here in America and I was
>disappointed as well.  I remember I waited for this documentary from china
>to be shown for a whole week only to find the subtitles were written and
>there were no voice overs.  The whole damn thing was in Chinese.  I was so
>disappointed I went to a friends and later on that week when it was run
>again I sort of forced her to read the whole thing to me just so I could
>watch it.  I think it is terrible.  What they usually do is to get you all
>hot to listen to a segment and thin have the segment played in the foreign
>language.  I hope you do resolve it as you do have a lot of very good
>documentaries on the bbc.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:34 AM
>Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>30/08/2005
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Two things to say first.  I have no responsibility either for the
>> production of the programme in question nor for BBC policy in the area
>> of accessibility of TV shows.  Second, At present I'm not responsible
>> either for the production or content of In Touch.  Having said that,
>> I'll say what I know about the situation and will be writing privately
>> to Carol to offer her advice on how to pursue a complaint.  I've
>> personally complained so hard and so often about this practise that I'm
>> blue in the face.
>>
>> My understanding of the latest policy position with regard to sub titles
>> versus voice over translation is as follows.  Any TV shows on BBC ONE
>> which contain foreign language content or contributions are required to
>> have a simultaneous translation of that contribution in both voice over
>> and sub titles. That's why if you watch, for example, Panorama, you
>> ought to note all foreign contributions are translated in voice over.
>> However, for some bizarre and unfathomable reason, the requirement for
>> any such shows on BBC TWO is only that they provide translation in sub
>> titles. That's why much of an important series like the Nazis, a warning
>> From History remains inaccessible to visually impaired viewers.  The
>> only explanation I've been given for this differentiation is that the
>> artistic or emotional agenda of shows made for TWO is more likely to be
>> compromised by the appearance of voice-over.  I've always said that this
>> seemed to me entirely spurious.
>>
>> If you encounter and are annoyed or frustrated by this practise of not
>> translating, I'd suggest a couple of courses of action.
>>
>> 1.  contact BBC Information as Carol did and make it plain that you want
>> to make a formal complaint about this and expect a formal response from
>> the BBC.  If you are dissatisfied with that response, there is a process
>> of appeal by which your complaint can be escalated.
>> 2.  The programme listing information for the show in question in Radio
>> times should carry the name of the producer.  Alternatively you can ask
>> BBC Info to find that out for you.  Then write direct to the producer
>> again making it plain that you're making a formal complaint and require
>> a formal response.  In that instance, you should also copy your
>> complaint to Roley Keating, Controller of BBC TWO at Television Centre.
>>
>>
>> Believe me I'm as pissed off as everyone else about this and wish I had
>> a pound for every complaint I've made to individual producers.  Actually
>> I'd give up all that wealth just to get them to change the policy.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of Barry
>> Sent: 31 August 2005 05:55
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>> 30/08/2005
>>
>>
>> Not giving a verbal translation does not only alienate the VI, it would
>> also
>> have put off many others.  My parent's, who have no sight problems, are
>> not
>> fast readers so turned the TV over when they saw the sub-titled
>> translations.  I listened to a programme about Beslan  on the World
>> Service
>> a couple of months ago.  They were interviewing the teachers.  The
>> teacher
>> started talking in Russian and, after a few seconds, an English
>> translation
>> was given over the top.  If the BBC can do it on Radio, surely they can
>> do
>> it on TV too.
>>
>>
>> Is *Points of view* still running on the BBC?  It is obviously too late
>> for
>> this programme, but they need to sort this out for future viewing,
>> particularly for something as emotive as Beslan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry H
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "MARTIN WILSHER" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:10 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>> 30/08/2005
>>
>>
>> Neither should you regret it carol.  I'm 1000000000 percent behind you
>> on this one.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:04 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>> 30/08/2005
>>
>>
>> > Hi there,
>> >
>> > Well said!  (Why did I fire this up again???)  I have no regrets!
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Carol
>> > carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> > Behalf Of MARTIN WILSHER
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:18 PM
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>> > 30/08/2005
>> >
>> >
>> > HI Carol:
>> >
>> > It seems to me that this lack of audio description is symtomatic of a
>> > general disregard for the needs of visually impaired people who watch
>> > television.  I spoke to sky about this not too long ago, and even
>> > they, with their massive resources, seemed to put more into subtitling
>>
>> > for the deaf
>> >
>> > than AD for the blind.  They even told me that there listings for
>> > subtitled programmes, but none for AD programmes, and further more,
>> > that there was an
>> > easy way to turn on subtitles by pressing one or two buttons, wheras
>> the
>> > AD
>> > was almost impossible for a blind person to switch on or off.  I know
>> > this
>> > is the bbc we are talking about here, and I think it is deplorable
>> there
>> > was
>> > no AD or verbal translation.  thumbs down for the bbc.
>> > From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Cc: "'Ian Macrae'" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
>> > Subject: [access-uk] CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
>> > 30/08/2005
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> We have just been very saddened and disgusted to discover that the
>> >> documentary currently showing on BBC 2, "Children of Beslan", is
>> >> obviously in their native language (Russian) and there is no audio
>> >> description or verbal translation.  On calling the BBC Information
>> >> and
>> >
>> >> Complaints line I was informed that there is a text translation on
>> >> the
>> >
>> >> screen but of course, that is no good to us!
>> >>
>> >> I was particularly angry that, as this was a very sad and moving
>> >> event
>> >
>> >> last year, we have been unable to follow up the children's progress.
>> >>
>> >> Ian, I do hope you're reading this!  I feel very strongly that the
>> >> BBC
>> >
>> >> have let us down again.
>> >>
>> >> When I called, I asked for a transcript of the programme, or at least
>>
>> >> the verbal translation which was given.  Are we likely to receive
>> >> this?
>> >>
>> >> Over to "In Touch"!
>> >>
>> >> Any other comments anyone?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Carol
>> >> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>
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