[access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM 30/08/2005
- From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:02 +0100
Ah, Mel, TV producers and their egos rarely make such common sense
distinctions.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mel Spooner
Sent: 31 August 2005 14:12
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
And, was it supposed to be an artistic programme or a factual
documentary?
Mel
P.S. Just on my way to the BC's complaints site as Damon suggested. If
everyone from this list does the same, surely they'd have to listen?
Mel Spooner
edIT Help Desk
Nottinghamshire County Council
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barry
Sent: 31 August 2005 13:49
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
I'd understand if it was opera but I can't see how a voice over could
spoil
the artistic integrity of this sort of programme. If the translation
was
done by a Russian speaking English, that would have kept the emotive
feeling. Has anyone else got an argument against this artistic
integrity
explanation?
Barry H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
Can I urge anyone who was annoyed by this to make a complaint via the
BBC complaints website www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
You are guaranteed a response within 10 days.
The more people who do it, the more likelyhood a result.
BBC execs believe that adding voiceovers interupts the artistic
integrity of the programme.
...Damon
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Carol Pearson
Sent: 31 August 2005 11:54
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
Thanks, Barry. I'll keep it and pass on in due course - when I hear
back from them, or within a few weeks if I don't.
--
Carol
carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barry
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:55 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
Not giving a verbal translation does not only alienate the VI, it would
also have put off many others. My parent's, who have no sight problems,
are not fast readers so turned the TV over when they saw the sub-titled
translations. I listened to a programme about Beslan on the World
Service a couple of months ago. They were interviewing the teachers.
The teacher started talking in Russian and, after a few seconds, an
English translation was given over the top. If the BBC can do it on
Radio, surely they can do it on TV too.
Is *Points of view* still running on the BBC? It is obviously too late
for this programme, but they need to sort this out for future viewing,
particularly for something as emotive as Beslan.
Barry H
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From: "MARTIN WILSHER" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
Neither should you regret it carol. I'm 1000000000 percent behind you
on this one.
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From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
30/08/2005
> Hi there,
>
> Well said! (Why did I fire this up again???) I have no regrets!
>
>
> --
> Carol
> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of MARTIN WILSHER
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:18 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> 30/08/2005
>
>
> HI Carol:
>
> It seems to me that this lack of audio description is symtomatic of a
> general disregard for the needs of visually impaired people who watch
> television. I spoke to sky about this not too long ago, and even
> they, with their massive resources, seemed to put more into subtitling
> for the deaf
>
> than AD for the blind. They even told me that there listings for
> subtitled programmes, but none for AD programmes, and further more,
> that there was an easy way to turn on subtitles by pressing one or two
> buttons, wheras
the
> AD
> was almost impossible for a blind person to switch on or off. I know
> this is the bbc we are talking about here, and I think it is
> deplorable
there
> was
> no AD or verbal translation. thumbs down for the bbc.
> From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'Ian Macrae'" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:21 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] CHILDREN OF BESLAN - BBC 2 DOCUMENTARY 9 PM
> 30/08/2005
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We have just been very saddened and disgusted to discover that the
>> documentary currently showing on BBC 2, "Children of Beslan", is
>> obviously in their native language (Russian) and there is no audio
>> description or verbal translation. On calling the BBC Information
>> and
>
>> Complaints line I was informed that there is a text translation on
>> the
>
>> screen but of course, that is no good to us!
>>
>> I was particularly angry that, as this was a very sad and moving
>> event
>
>> last year, we have been unable to follow up the children's progress.
>>
>> Ian, I do hope you're reading this! I feel very strongly that the
>> BBC
>
>> have let us down again.
>>
>> When I called, I asked for a transcript of the programme, or at least
>> the verbal translation which was given. Are we likely to receive
>> this?
>>
>> Over to "In Touch"!
>>
>> Any other comments anyone?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carol
>> carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
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