Tristram, I was hoping for a more thorough explanation than this :] I wish I could get my head round some of this stuff the way some of you guys can. Thanks for the explanation, I always try to achieve the best sound [subjective I know] but because I have some high frequency deafness, I can't trust my ears to know what others hear that I do not! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: CDEX and normalising | The term "normalisation" when used in its proper sense has nothing to do | with making music tracks apparantly have the same volume level. I am | not sure how CDEX implements the feature you speak of, I haven't used it | for a few years now. | | The process of normalisation is used in order to optomise the apparant | level of audio to the maximum extent allowed by whatever bit depth 16 or | 24bits of the digital audio path. What normalisation generally does is | look for the loudest parts of audio material and arrange things so that | those land at the top or near to the top of the 16bit audio range | without causing digital clipping. There are two types of normalisation | and one thus described is peak level normalisation which is perhaps the | most common. Normalisation is desirable because it helps maximise the | maximum dynamic range possible whilst reducing to a minium quantisation | errors at low level. | | However the problem may be that you can normalise two tracks so they | peak at the same level but the apparant volume still seems to be | different because of the differences in the material which mean that the | average level of the sound of one of the tracks is higher. It is most | likely that the one with the higher average level will be determined by | the human listener as the loudest. This can also be made to happen | artificially during TV ad breaks and you find yourself wanting to turn | down the sound. In order to catch our attention commercials heavy heavy | audio compression applied to the sound to reduce the size of audio peaks | and turning up the makeup gain for the lower level signal so that the | average level becomes higher whilst the differences between the highest | level of sound and lowest is less, result, something that sounds louder | and more exciting. | | In such cases as yours would would either need the help of software or | use your own ears to compare two or more audio programs and even out the | difference beween them as an average level because most likely the | normalisation process will not help. Also if you are sourcing from | commercial CDs this process will have already taken place. A breed of | individual in the audio industry known as a mastering engineer will be | making sure that all the tracks of an album sound like they fit together | and make sure the levels appear to the human listener to be roughly the | same. There are all sorts of other things they do to given an abum its | sound if that is the kind of project they are working on. I know iTunes | certainly a facility called sound check which evens out levels between | tracks in your music library but I don't it does it particularly well | come to think of it. | | To add further fuel to the fire the human ear is not completely linear | therefore what a machine or software "hears" (I used the term advisedly | here) may not be what a human perceives. The vast majority of all the | acoustic energy in most pop music certainly is contained in the lower | end of the spectrum, thus a regeah track may sound about the same level | as something mush less bassy but the former still has more acoustic | energy in it whilst still sounding quieter and register a higher audio | level (as measured). | | Hope this helps. | | Regards. | | Tristram Llewellyn | tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx | Technical Support | Sight and Sound Technology | | -----Original Message----- | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf | Of Andy Collins | Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 11:15 AM | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | Subject: [access-uk] CDEX and normalising | | Hi all | | Within CDEX settings, are tabs for normalisation, will this just make | all | tracks have the same volume, in other words, when ripping tracks, does | it | equalise the volume so that some tracks are not louder or quieter than | others? 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