[access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

Hi Steve and list

I have to disagree with you Steve, I'm sure that I could find many =
sighted people who read and yet cannot spell.  After my studies on how =
we learn language and memorise things I'd argue that spelling is down to =
our individual memory ability.  Which varies from person to person from =
area to area.  Some people can remember every face they see while others =
need contact with the same face several times before the memory is =
accessible thus retrievable.  Face recognition is a pattern recognition =
as is spelling.

I cannot believe some of the pompous arguments on this subject.  Because =
we can't see, we generally have difficulty in communicating and reading =
communications.  So when we have a medium where we can communicate let's =
celebrate and exploit it to our advantage and not fight.  The spoken =
word and the written word will always change and develop.  Why do we =
allow software vendors dictate what contractions and abbreviations are =
acceptable?

Individuals should be allowed to use whatever contractions and =
abbreviations as they wish.  Governed by the audience because the =
communication sender has the desire to convey a message the sender has =
to put it in a form that will meet that end.  While allowing the sender =
to express their individual style and personality.

Treasure and use this gift.

Gena

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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:28 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


Hi Angle,

I would have to disagree here.  I know some blind people who are =
excellent
Braille readers, but very poor spellers.  Take the word Knowledge as an
example.  Learning Grade 2 Braille earlier discourages blind people to =
learn
how to spell such words in my view, although I think Knowledge must be =
the
hardest contracted word that I know of.

All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
Of
Angel
Sent: 29 April 2007 15:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

This isn't true.  Most good spellers read a lot which is what makes them =

good spellers.  Also, I think, they care how words are spelled.  When =
one is

in doubt as to the spelling of a word, he usually pictures how the word =
is=20
spelled in his mind as he has seen it written. We Braille readers =
picture=20
the words written in their contracted form.  As we know what those=20
contractions mean we spell the words correctly.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Paul.bepey" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


> Hi,
> Personally, I do not really like grade2 Braille as most of it is in
> contraction form which I feel doesn't help individuals to grasp basic
> skills, Spelling, etc.
> Thanks, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf =3D
> Of
> Angel
> Sent: 29 April 2007 12:33
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> We are talking apples and oranges here, as Louis Braille was French =
and =3D
> the=3D20
> contractions commonly used in English Braille are accent marks in =
that=3D20
> language.  Everyone knows contractions make reading Braille much =3D
> speedier=3D20
> and save space.  I would be happy if there were even more of these and =
=3D
> we=3D20
> used grade three as a matter of course.  But that will never happen, =
=3D
> only in
>
> my dreams.
> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> Hi Christine,
>>
>> I am a proficient Braillist.  I just don't like Grade two, =
because=3D20
>> there
>> is
>> so much disagreement about it.  Louis Braille never invented Grade =
=3D
> two, he
>> merely invented Braille.
>>
>> All the best
>> --
>> Computer Room Services:
>> the long cane for blind computer users.
>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
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>> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =
On=3D20
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Christine Weetman
>> Sent: 28 April 2007 16:37
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c =
for=3D20
>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol  Don't ask me why, I was =
just =3D
>
>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it.  I am a Braille User =
and=3D20
>> Proud of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille =
was=3D20
>> invented for the
>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier =
=3D
> than
>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly =
=3D
> and
>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>
>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>> appears
>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used?  I =
=3D
> think
>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Angel,
>>>
>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ =
is =3D
>
>>> definitely Christian.  For my part, I am glad they are gone.  We =
are=3D20
>>> the only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it =
didn't=3D20
>>> make any sense.  Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so =
ambiguous, =3D
>
>>> and gives people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> --
>>> Computer Room Services:
>>> the long cane for blind computer users.
>>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
>>> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
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>>> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] =
On=3D20
>>> Behalf Of Angel
>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs.  I didn't =
know=3D20
>>> they had been scrapped.  As they encompass all faiths I don't =
think=3D20
>>> they ought to have been.
>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which =
I=3D20
>>>> always used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?  =
They=3D20
>>>> are all religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as =
"Not=3D20
>>>> to Offend" the
>>>
>>>> non-Christians?  I doube for a mark of respect, what do you =
think?=3D20
>>>> Did you
>>>
>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? =
The=3D20
>>>> nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>> are:
>>>>
>>>> 1.   Dot five C for Christ.
>>>> 2.   F T H sign for faith.
>>>> 3.   G L for glory.
>>>> 4.   Dot five G for God.
>>>> 5.   G R for grace.
>>>> 6.   H L for holy.
>>>> 7.   Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>> 8.   S T H sign for saith.
>>>> 9.   Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>
>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>
>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
>>>>
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