[access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

Hi Angel,

Think about it for a minute.  At least a sighted person gets to see the word
knowledge in all its longhand glory.  Braillists however are rarely exposed
to it, because they tend to learn Grade 2 at a very early age, if they learn
young, as I did.

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Angel
Sent: 29 April 2007 21:10
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

What makes you think those same people wouldn't be poor spellers if they 
have sight.  I know sighted people who are atrocious spellers.  That is just

the way they are.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


> Hi Angle,
>
> I would have to disagree here.  I know some blind people who are excellent
> Braille readers, but very poor spellers.  Take the word Knowledge as an
> example.  Learning Grade 2 Braille earlier discourages blind people to 
> learn
> how to spell such words in my view, although I think Knowledge must be the
> hardest contracted word that I know of.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of
> Angel
> Sent: 29 April 2007 15:19
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
> This isn't true.  Most good spellers read a lot which is what makes them
> good spellers.  Also, I think, they care how words are spelled.  When one 
> is
>
> in doubt as to the spelling of a word, he usually pictures how the word is
> spelled in his mind as he has seen it written. We Braille readers picture
> the words written in their contracted form.  As we know what those
> contractions mean we spell the words correctly.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul.bepey" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:39 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Personally, I do not really like grade2 Braille as most of it is in
>> contraction form which I feel doesn't help individuals to grasp basic
>> skills, Spelling, etc.
>> Thanks, Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
>> =
>> Of
>> Angel
>> Sent: 29 April 2007 12:33
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>> We are talking apples and oranges here, as Louis Braille was French and =
>> the=20
>> contractions commonly used in English Braille are accent marks in that=20
>> language.  Everyone knows contractions make reading Braille much =
>> speedier=20
>> and save space.  I would be happy if there were even more of these and =
>> we=20
>> used grade three as a matter of course.  But that will never happen, =
>> only in
>>
>> my dreams.
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Christine,
>>>
>>> I am a proficient Braillist.  I just don't like Grade two, because=20
>>> there
>>> is
>>> so much disagreement about it.  Louis Braille never invented Grade =
>> two, he
>>> merely invented Braille.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Christine Weetman
>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 16:37
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for=20
>>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol  Don't ask me why, I was just =
>>
>>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it.  I am a Braille User and=20
>>> Proud of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was=20
>>> invented for the
>>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier =
>> than
>>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly =
>> and
>>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>>
>>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>>> appears
>>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used?  I =
>> think
>>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Angel,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is =
>>
>>>> definitely Christian.  For my part, I am glad they are gone.  We are=20
>>>> the only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't=20
>>>> make any sense.  Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, =
>>
>>>> and gives people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>>>> Behalf Of Angel
>>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs.  I didn't know=20
>>>> they had been scrapped.  As they encompass all faiths I don't think=20
>>>> they ought to have been.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I=20
>>>>> always used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?  They=20
>>>>> are all religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not=20
>>>>> to Offend" the
>>>>
>>>>> non-Christians?  I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think?=20
>>>>> Did you
>>>>
>>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? The=20
>>>>> nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>>> are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.   Dot five C for Christ.
>>>>> 2.   F T H sign for faith.
>>>>> 3.   G L for glory.
>>>>> 4.   Dot five G for God.
>>>>> 5.   G R for grace.
>>>>> 6.   H L for holy.
>>>>> 7.   Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>>> 8.   S T H sign for saith.
>>>>> 9.   Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
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