Hi all, I've refrained from coming in on this conversation, as I'm not really sure that it's strictly the right place for it. If this is the case, I would respectfully suggest that, in the intersts of all, it is carried over to the appropriate list. Christine, (though I wouldn't want to take up bandwidth just to say this), whilst writing I would say that I agree wholeheartedly with your comments below! Long live Braille! -- Carol carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > No, I disagree strongly, if we're Proud of our braille system and want to > teach it correctly etc, then we Must use it Properly. Braille has a > Standard so lets stick to it! Proud to be a braillist, Christine W.----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Muir" <wjmuir.twadugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:27 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > > > Hi, Steve, > > I really think for personal matters it doesn't matter what contractions > you > use or whether they are correct as long as other folks know what you mean. > > For instance, we now use the a r contraction in the word dear. But if > someone used the e a contraction it wouldn't matter a bit, would it? All a > matter of preference. > > Best wishes, > > Joan. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:01 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? > > >> Hi Joan, >> >> I am not sure about done away with, I wouldn't go that far, I just find >> Grade two is the biggest bone of contention in Braille. Look at this >> thread >> for example. Everyone has their own preferences in Braille and get >> really >> defensive if you disagree with it <Smile>. A bit like screen readers of >> choice, your own screen reader is the perfect one. Bit like a religion >> among blind people, I find it amusing <Smile>. >> >> All the best >> -- >> Computer Room Services: >> the long cane for blind computer users. >> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 >> International: +44(0)1438 742286, >> Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 >> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, >> Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> Of >> Joan Muir >> Sent: 28 April 2007 20:19 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >> >> I much prefer Braille to any other form of reading. >> >> I don't see how grade 2 could be done away with as Braille is so bulky at >> the best of times! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Joan. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:36 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >> >> >>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for >>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol Don't ask me why, I was just >>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it. I am a Braille User and >>> Proud >>> of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was invented for >>> the >>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier >>> than >>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly and >>> Don't shout about their ignorance! >>> >>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>> >>> >>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word >>> appears >>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used? I think >>> what I meant is it is not faith specific. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>> >>> >>>> Hi Angel, >>>> >>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is >>>> definitely Christian. For my part, I am glad they are gone. We are >>>> the >>>> only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't make any >>>> sense. Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, and gives >>>> people writing translation software a big headache. >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> -- >>>> Computer Room Services: >>>> the long cane for blind computer users. >>>> Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 >>>> International: +44(0)1438 742286, >>>> Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 >>>> mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, >>>> Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of >>>> Angel >>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49 >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know? >>>> >>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs. I didn't know they >>>> had >>>> been scrapped. As they encompass all faiths I don't think they ought >>>> to >>>> have been. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx> >>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I >>>>> always >>>>> used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to? They are all >>>>> religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not to Offend" >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> non-Christians? I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think? Did >>>>> you >>>> >>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? >>>>> The nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped >>>>> are: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Dot five C for Christ. >>>>> 2. F T H sign for faith. >>>>> 3. G L for glory. >>>>> 4. Dot five G for God. >>>>> 5. G R for grace. >>>>> 6. H L for holy. >>>>> 7. Dot five J for Jesus. >>>>> 8. S T H sign for saith. >>>>> 9. Dots four-five-six u for unto. >>>>> >>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now? >>>>> >>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W. >>>>> >>>>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>>>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> ** and in the Subject line type >>>>> ** unsubscribe >>>>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>>>> ** immediately-following link:- >>>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>>>> ** or send a message, to >>>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>>>> >>>> >>>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> ** and in the Subject line type >>>> ** 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