[access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

  • From: "Carol Pearson" <carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:16:08 +0100

Hi all,

I've refrained from coming in on this conversation, as I'm not really sure 
that it's strictly the right place for it.  If this is the case, I would 
respectfully suggest that, in the intersts of all, it is carried over to the 
appropriate list.

Christine, (though I wouldn't want to take up bandwidth just to say this), 
whilst writing I would say that I agree wholeheartedly with your comments 
below!

Long live Braille!

--
Carol
carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


> No, I disagree strongly, if we're Proud of our braille system and want to
> teach it correctly etc, then we Must use it Properly.  Braille has a
> Standard so lets stick to it!  Proud to be a braillist, Christine W.----- 
> Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joan Muir" <wjmuir.twadugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I really think for personal matters it doesn't matter what contractions 
> you
> use or whether they are correct as long as other folks know what you mean.
>
> For instance, we now use the a r contraction in the word dear. But if
> someone used the e a contraction it wouldn't matter a bit, would it? All a
> matter of preference.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joan.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:01 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> Hi Joan,
>>
>> I am not sure about done away with, I wouldn't go that far, I just find
>> Grade two is the biggest bone of contention in Braille.  Look at this
>> thread
>> for example.  Everyone has their own preferences in Braille and get 
>> really
>> defensive if you disagree with it <Smile>.  A bit like screen readers of
>> choice, your own screen reader is the perfect one.  Bit like a religion
>> among blind people, I find it amusing <Smile>.
>>
>> All the best
>> --
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Joan Muir
>> Sent: 28 April 2007 20:19
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>> I much prefer Braille to any other form of reading.
>>
>> I don't see how grade 2 could be done away with as Braille is so bulky at
>> the best of times!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Joan.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:36 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for
>>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol  Don't ask me why, I was just
>>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it.  I am a Braille User and
>>> Proud
>>> of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was invented for
>>> the
>>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier 
>>> than
>>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly and
>>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>>
>>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>>> appears
>>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used?  I think
>>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Angel,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is
>>>> definitely Christian.  For my part, I am glad they are gone.  We are 
>>>> the
>>>> only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't make any
>>>> sense.  Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, and gives
>>>> people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> --
>>>> Computer Room Services:
>>>> the long cane for blind computer users.
>>>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>>>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>>>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
>>>> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
>>>> Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Angel
>>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs.  I didn't know they
>>>> had
>>>> been scrapped.  As they encompass all faiths I don't think they ought 
>>>> to
>>>> have been.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I
>>>>> always
>>>>> used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?  They are all
>>>>> religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not to Offend"
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> non-Christians?  I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think? Did
>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings?
>>>>> The nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>>> are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.   Dot five C for Christ.
>>>>> 2.   F T H sign for faith.
>>>>> 3.   G L for glory.
>>>>> 4.   Dot five G for God.
>>>>> 5.   G R for grace.
>>>>> 6.   H L for holy.
>>>>> 7.   Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>>> 8.   S T H sign for saith.
>>>>> 9.   Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
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