[access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

Hi all,

I've refrained from coming in on this conversation, as I'm not really sure 
that it's strictly the right place for it.  If this is the case, I would 
respectfully suggest that, in the intersts of all, it is carried over to the 
appropriate list.

Christine, (though I wouldn't want to take up bandwidth just to say this), 
whilst writing I would say that I agree wholeheartedly with your comments 
below!

Long live Braille!

--
Carol
carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


> No, I disagree strongly, if we're Proud of our braille system and want to
> teach it correctly etc, then we Must use it Properly.  Braille has a
> Standard so lets stick to it!  Proud to be a braillist, Christine W.----- 
> Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joan Muir" <wjmuir.twadugs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I really think for personal matters it doesn't matter what contractions 
> you
> use or whether they are correct as long as other folks know what you mean.
>
> For instance, we now use the a r contraction in the word dear. But if
> someone used the e a contraction it wouldn't matter a bit, would it? All a
> matter of preference.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joan.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:01 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> Hi Joan,
>>
>> I am not sure about done away with, I wouldn't go that far, I just find
>> Grade two is the biggest bone of contention in Braille.  Look at this
>> thread
>> for example.  Everyone has their own preferences in Braille and get 
>> really
>> defensive if you disagree with it <Smile>.  A bit like screen readers of
>> choice, your own screen reader is the perfect one.  Bit like a religion
>> among blind people, I find it amusing <Smile>.
>>
>> All the best
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Joan Muir
>> Sent: 28 April 2007 20:19
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>> I much prefer Braille to any other form of reading.
>>
>> I don't see how grade 2 could be done away with as Braille is so bulky at
>> the best of times!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Joan.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:36 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for
>>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol  Don't ask me why, I was just
>>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it.  I am a Braille User and
>>> Proud
>>> of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was invented for
>>> the
>>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier 
>>> than
>>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly and
>>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>>
>>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>>> appears
>>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used?  I think
>>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Angel,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is
>>>> definitely Christian.  For my part, I am glad they are gone.  We are 
>>>> the
>>>> only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't make any
>>>> sense.  Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, and gives
>>>> people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>> --
>>>> Computer Room Services:
>>>> the long cane for blind computer users.
>>>> Telephone Low-call:  08452 606 277
>>>> International:  +44(0)1438 742286,
>>>> Fax:  +44(0)1438 759589
>>>> mobile:  +44(0)7956 334938,
>>>> Email:  mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Web site:  http://www.comproom.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Angel
>>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs.  I didn't know they
>>>> had
>>>> been scrapped.  As they encompass all faiths I don't think they ought 
>>>> to
>>>> have been.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I
>>>>> always
>>>>> used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?  They are all
>>>>> religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not to Offend"
>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> non-Christians?  I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think? Did
>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings?
>>>>> The nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>>> are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.   Dot five C for Christ.
>>>>> 2.   F T H sign for faith.
>>>>> 3.   G L for glory.
>>>>> 4.   Dot five G for God.
>>>>> 5.   G R for grace.
>>>>> 6.   H L for holy.
>>>>> 7.   Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>>> 8.   S T H sign for saith.
>>>>> 9.   Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
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