[access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?

Weren't the religious signs kicked out about 20 years ago?

I thought that dot 5 L and dot 5 G remained, though?

There seems little point discussing braille translations, though, when the 
laws of this land, and the publishing industry won't allow us to have access 
to all the books we want to read anyway.





...Damon










----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?


> as a reasonably good braille reader, I think grade 2 is essential and I
> think that most decent braille readers would agree with that, though it is
> true to say that contractions can affect people's knowledge of spelling.
> The same kind of debates also happen around capitals in Braille.
>
> while it is possible that Braille could die because of a lack of teaching 
> of
> it, I think the future of Braille is in reading it with a Braille display 
> or
> Braille note taker.  I have read numerous books with the Braillenote which
> has 32 cells.  I have found reading braille easy to read in this form.  If
> you have a braille display, then the issue of bulk is clearly not as
> important as it is in hard copy.
>
> I was taught to read Grade 2 Braille and like it, but if I had to choose
> between the death of braille and using say 1 grade of uncontracted braille 
> I
> would certainly go for that.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul.bepey" <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 12:39 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> Hi,
> Personally, I do not really like grade2 Braille as most of it is in
> contraction form which I feel doesn't help individuals to grasp basic
> skills, Spelling, etc.
> Thanks, Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
> Of
> Angel
> Sent: 29 April 2007 12:33
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
> We are talking apples and oranges here, as Louis Braille was French and =
> the=20
> contractions commonly used in English Braille are accent marks in that=20
> language.  Everyone knows contractions make reading Braille much =
> speedier=20
> and save space.  I would be happy if there were even more of these and =
> we=20
> used grade three as a matter of course.  But that will never happen, =
> only in
>
> my dreams.
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:55 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>
>
>> Hi Christine,
>>
>> I am a proficient Braillist.  I just don't like Grade two, because=20
>> there
>> is
>> so much disagreement about it.  Louis Braille never invented Grade =
> two, he
>> merely invented Braille.
>>
>> All the best
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Christine Weetman
>> Sent: 28 April 2007 16:37
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>> Hi Angel, No No No, Not dot five and c in My name, dot five and c for=20
>> Christ, but not in Christmas either! lol  Don't ask me why, I was just =
>
>> taught it that way, so I didn't question it.  I am a Braille User and=20
>> Proud of it so I don't accept what Steve said (below) braille was=20
>> invented for the
>> benefit of us who Need to use it, so maybe He doesn't and is luckier =
> than
>> us, but I am Full of admiration for those who use braille Correctly =
> and
>> Don't shout about their ignorance!
>>
>> All the best, Christine W,.----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Angel" <Angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 4:27 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>> I hadn't thought of that about the Christ sign, though if that word
>> appears
>> in another faith's religious context couldn't the sign be used?  I =
> think
>> what I meant is it is not faith specific.
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:05 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Angel,
>>>
>>> I don't think all of them encompass all faiths, for example Christ is =
>
>>> definitely Christian.  For my part, I am glad they are gone.  We are=20
>>> the only country that used them in terms of Braille, so it didn't=20
>>> make any sense.  Mind you, I hate Grade 2 anyway, it is so ambiguous, =
>
>>> and gives people writing translation software a big headache.
>>>
>>> All the best
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On=20
>>> Behalf Of Angel
>>> Sent: 28 April 2007 06:49
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>> I always wondered whatever happened to those signs.  I didn't know=20
>>> they had been scrapped.  As they encompass all faiths I don't think=20
>>> they ought to have been.
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "Christine Weetman" <goatmum@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:42 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille readers, did you know?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all, I have just heard of some Important braille signs which I=20
>>>> always used have been scrapped, What Is this world coming to?  They=20
>>>> are all religious signs we can't use, has this been done so as "Not=20
>>>> to Offend" the
>>>
>>>> non-Christians?  I doube for a mark of respect, what do you think?=20
>>>> Did you
>>>
>>>> know and would you still use them in your personal writings? The=20
>>>> nine religious contractions which should never have been scrapped
>>>> are:
>>>>
>>>> 1.   Dot five C for Christ.
>>>> 2.   F T H sign for faith.
>>>> 3.   G L for glory.
>>>> 4.   Dot five G for God.
>>>> 5.   G R for grace.
>>>> 6.   H L for holy.
>>>> 7.   Dot five J for Jesus.
>>>> 8.   S T H sign for saith.
>>>> 9.   Dots four-five-six u for unto.
>>>>
>>>> So what are we going to reuse these signs for now?
>>>>
>>>> Yours, disgusted, Christine W.
>>>>
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