[access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
- From: Jackie Cairns <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:59:16 +0000
Hi Doris
No problem, thanks for clarifying Brty for me. I must confess I have not come
across this but, as you say, someone else may know the answer.
Jackie Cairns
Braille Specialist
Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
Welton House North Wing
Summerhouse Road
Moulton Park
Northampton
NN3 6WD
Tel: 01604 798024
Mob: 07887 883815
www.sightandsound.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Doris and Chris
Sent: 12 May 2010 09:39
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving over
to Window Eyes
brltty is an open source Braille screenreader. It was originally developed for
the Unix platform but has been ported to windows Since.
http://www.mielke.cc/brltty/
It is being used in conjunction with nvda and I was wondering if the same is
possible with jaws. I hope someone on this list might know the answer.
I never expect one person to have all the answers. that is why I asked on list.
Cheers,
Doris
At 07:19 AM 5/12/2010 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Doris
>
>I don't know what Brty for Windows is, so I can't help you there.
>
>
>Jackie Cairns
>Braille Specialist
>Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton
>NN3 6WD
>Tel: 01604 798024
>Mob: 07887 883815
>www.sightandsound.co.uk
>-----Original Message-----
>From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>Behalf Of Doris and Chris
>Sent: 11 May 2010 19:20
>To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences
>moving over to Window Eyes
>
>Dear Miss Jackie,
>
>Yes, I understand that. I was thinking of the legacy hardware that most
>people have.
>
>Many of my friends have Braile displays that are 10 or 15 years old and
>still work well.
>
>My question was if brtty for Windows can be used alongside jaws to give
>Braille output with those older displays that are no longer natively
>supported by jaws.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Doris
>At 07:02 PM 5/11/2010 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hi Doris
> >
> >Could I just correct you in terms of FS Braille support. They do
> >support Braille displays, especially their own Focus range. But they
> >have now removed serial support in JAWS 11. Consequently, you either
> >have to use an USB to parallel adaptor or not at all with older
> >displays like mine. The Focus displays they sell are quite nice and
> >rugged, but if you take like-for-like, I don't have just under six
> >grand to buy the equivalent Focus 80 which is comparable to my 80
> cell PowerBraille that still functions well.
> >
> >So, FS does support Braille, but they have chosen a road that I don't
> >want to follow.
> >
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >
> >J
> >
> >
> >Jackie Cairns
> >jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >Behalf Of Doris and Chris
> >Sent: 11 May 2010 17:55
> >To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [access-uk] Braille Support - Re: Re: My experiences moving
> >over to Window Eyes
> >
> >I am a speech user only and thus have no experience nor actual need
> >for Braille support at least until now but many people I know do.
> >
> >I am appalled at FS's not supporting Braille devices.
> >
> >I have been wondering, though, is it possible to run brtty alongside
> >jaws to give the Braille support while using jaws for speech?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Doris
> >
> >
> >At 03:21 PM 5/11/2010 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hi Eleanor
> > >
> > >I bought my PowerBraille some years back secondhand. I appreciate
> > >that things change, more sophisticated technology appears on the
> > >market, and you move on from operating system to operating system
> > >or version to version of a product. And perhaps FS decided to
> > >remove serial support within JAWS 11 for reasons we aren't privy to.
> > >Nevertheless, I am using Windows 7, need to run JAWS 11, and want
> > >my PowerBraille to remain active. It can't be done, they aren't
> > >interested in little me or the minority who use such displays, so
> > >therein lies my choice. I can't afford six grand for a new Focus
> > >just because it supports USB only, and there isn't anything wrong
> > >with my PowerBraille apart from old age, and I know how that
> feels anyway, (big smile).
> > >
> > >It's all about what suits the individual at the end of the day. I
> > >have my reasons and bear no disrespect to anybody. I just have to
> > >do what suits me and my budget.
> > >
> > >
> > >Jackie Cairns
> > >Braille Specialist
> > >Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
> > >Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
> > >Northampton
> > >NN3 6WD
> > >Tel: 01604 798024
> > >Mob: 07887 883815
> > >www.sightandsound.co.uk
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > >Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > >Sent: 11 May 2010 15:39
> > >To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
> > >
> > >Indeed Jackie. I think my PowerBraille cost eight thousand, yes
> > >eight thousand pounds!!!!
> > >
> > >Eleanor
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:34 PM
> > >Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window Eyes
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Eleanor
> > > >
> > > > Freedom Scientific have removed serial support from JAWS version 11.
> > > > Up until then, I was able to do just as you describe by using an
> > > > USB to serial converter on a Netbook or laptop. Unfortunately,
> > > > FS have failed to deal with this problem in JAWS 11. They
> > > > advise you to purchase an USB to parallel converter, but it doesn't
> > > > work.
> > > > And, without going into complications, their attempt at trying
> > > > to give me a work-around screwed up previous versions of JAWS I
> > > > need to run on my
> >machine.
> > > >
> > > > So, in essence, USB to serial conversion works prior to JAWS 11
> > > > on a display such as PowerBraille, but not any more, and that's
> > > > my big problem really. I like my PowerBraille display, it still
> > > > functions well, and I'm not going to change it unless I either
> > > > have the money, or choose to of my own doing.
> > > >
> > > > Jackie Cairns
> > > > Braille Specialist
> > > > Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound
> > > > Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton
> > > > Park Northampton
> > > > NN3 6WD
> > > > Tel: 01604 798024
> > > > Mob: 07887 883815
> > > > www.sightandsound.co.uk
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
> > > > Sent: 11 May 2010 15:15
> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window
> > > > Eyes
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jackie
> > > > I appreciate I may be wrong, but did I not understand you to say
> > > > some time back that a USB parallel cable would work with Power
> > > > Braille
> >and Jaws 10?
> > > > For those interested Power Braille and Focus blue work with
> > > > Supernova also.
> > > >
> > > > Eleanor
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:52 PM
> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window
> > > > Eyes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Pele
> > > >>
> > > >> One of the things dearest to my heart, as many know, is Braille.
> > > >> And because of the route FS have elected to take regarding the
> > > >> digital signing of drivers - rightly or wrongly depending on
> > > >> your point of view - I can no longer use my own PowerBraille
> > > >> display if I want to work with JAWS 11.
> > > >> Having just purchased a Windows 7 laptop, I obviously need to
> > > >> run JAWS 11, and there is no way around the display issue
> > > >> because I am not prepared, and certainly can't afford, to
> > > >> purchase something that suits FS. I know from what I've seen
> > > >> and heard that Window-Eyes supports Braille very well, and this
> > > >> is just one of many incentives for me to move over. I don't
> > > >> think I'll ever uninstall JAWS from my PC because it is
> > > >> something I will use having forked out for it. But I'm
> > > >> prepared to give Window-Eyes a good try, particularly with
> > > >> Braille in mind. As soon as I downloaded the demo and chose a
> > > >> PowerBraille display, it
> went first go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Time will tell.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jackie Cairns
> > > >> Braille Specialist
> > > >> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound
> > > >> Technology Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton
> > > >> Park Northampton
> > > >> NN3 6WD
> > > >> Tel: 01604 798024
> > > >> Mob: 07887 883815
> > > >> www.sightandsound.co.uk
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > >> On Behalf Of Pele West
> > > >> Sent: 11 May 2010 14:37
> > > >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: My experiences moving over to Window
> > > >> Eyes
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Jackie and Everyone
> > > >>
> > > >> I am also someone who has gone over completely to Window-Eyes.
> > > >> I used JAWS when I was at work as it had better support for MS
> > > >> Office at that time but, as my husband preferred Window-Eyes,
> > > >> always used it
> >at home.
> > > >> Now I am no longer at work I find Window-Eyes works well with
> > > >> the programs I run.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have a few issues with Windows 7, but I think they are
> > > >> related to the operating system rather than the screen reader.
> > > >>
> > > >> Good luck, Jackie.
> > > >>
> > > >> Pele
> > > >>
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