Just heard today that the Carlisle group might be buying out Virgin Media; I wouldn't be happy about that, with the Bin Larden and Bush families on the board! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:25 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | Hold up, so are Virgin Media offering broadband on both ADSL and Coaxial | now? | | Dj Paddy | Keeping in touch with me: | | Twitter Username- dj_paddy | | Twitter RSS- | http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/4871941.rss | | BLOG RSS- | http://feeds.feedburner.com/irishgeek | | Email/msn contact: djpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | | Skype: djpaddy | | My websites are mainly used for jumping off platforms, they are | | http://www.djpaddy.co.uk | | http://www.barry-toner.co.uk | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Dean Wilcox" <wilcoxdean@xxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:21 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | | | I'm with Virgin Media and I don't have | cable. Its starting to improve recently as I've | had a not so good service lately but all you need is a BT line. | | At 17:45 01/07/2007, you wrote: | >Hi Kevin - That's what I was thinking, we don't have the option for cable | >tv | >here, which I assume means I cant have Virgin as my ISP? | > | >- Andy | > | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: "kevin and Emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx> | >To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:35 PM | >Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | > | > | >| hi andy, not sure if your confusing things or if i am! smile. in order to | >| have virgin media as your ISP, you need to have a cable connection in | >your | >| property as you did with telewest and NTL, but you don't have to be | >| subscribed to the TV packages. | >| kevin - (lord l) | >| "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without | >| notice"-Will Durant | >| contact me: | >| email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx | >| skype: lordandladyl | >| ----- Original Message ----- | >| From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:19 PM | >| Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | >| | >| | >| > Ah DJ, that sounds worth a look then; I thought when it was Telewest | >that | >| > meant cable connection rather than bt land line. | >| > | >| > - Andy | >| > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:03 PM | >| > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | >| > | >| > | >| > | Andy, | >| > | | >| > | Do you mean cable as in cable tv? | >| > | | >| > | if so, no you don't. | >| > | | >| > | You can just have Virgin Media as your ISP. | >| > | | >| > | Dj Paddy | >| > | Keeping in touch with me: | >| > | | >| > | Twitter Username- dj_paddy | >| > | | >| > | Twitter RSS- | >| > | http://twitter.com/statuses/friends_timeline/4871941.rss | >| > | | >| > | BLOG RSS- | >| > | http://feeds.feedburner.com/irishgeek | >| > | | >| > | Email/msn contact: djpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | >| > | | >| > | Skype: djpaddy | >| > | | >| > | My websites are mainly used for jumping off platforms, they are | >| > | | >| > | http://www.djpaddy.co.uk | >| > | | >| > | http://www.barry-toner.co.uk | >| > | ----- Original Message ----- | >| > | From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > | Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:06 PM | >| > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | >| > | | >| > | | >| > | >I take it you have to be on cable to go with Virgin [think there's a | >| > double | >| > | > entendre there :]] | >| > | > | >| > | > - Andy | >| > | > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > | > From: <deonv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > | > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:31 PM | >| > | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BT or not to BT | >| > | > | >| > | > | >| > | > | We are with Virgin (used to be | >| > | > | Telewest/Blueyonder) and don't have the least | >| > | > | hesitation, yet, recommending them. | >| > | > | | >| > | > | On the few occasions I had a problem the person | >| > | > | on the technical desk was familiar with the | >| > | > | concept of screen readers, knowledgable, patient and resolved the | >| > | > problem. | >| > | > | | >| > | > | What's more there is no broadband limit, prices | >| > | > | are good, down-time is minimal and their talk | >| > | > | anywhere telephone packages are pretty good buys | >| > | > | if you call internationally and to mobiles a lot. | >| > | > | | >| > | > | Deon | >| > | > | | >| > | > | At 11:37 30/06/2007, you wrote: | >| > | > | >I would get my partner to comment on this one, but as her | >weekend | >| > will | >| > | > | >be hectic, I shall respond myself, by saying that from what | >she's | >| > told | >| > | > | >me Virgin Media are very good. This might impress you actually. | >She | >| > | > told | >| > | > | >me this morning over MSN that the signal quality of her wireless | >| > was | >| > | > | >excellent and that the speed was 54 MBPS, but boy was her | >internet | >| > | > | >connection fast as lightning! Her AVG updated in seconds, links | >on | >| > web | >| > | > | >pages loaded in no more than a second ... I think you'll be | >| > impressed | >| > | > | >with Virgin Media. Good luck and let us know how you get on with | >| > them. | >| > | > | >On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:49:35 +0100, "Dj Paddy" | >| > <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | >| > | > | >said: | >| > | > | > > Hi all, | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > Looks like we're going to be leaving BT for Virgin Media. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > They can't get this broadband sorted. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > We've had 5, yes 5 engineers out at the house. Out of all | >but | >| > one | >| > | > new | >| > | > | > > what | >| > | > | > > she, was up to. They constantly wanted to measure signal, | >even | >| > | > though | >| > | > | > > yesterday morning a job was specifically booked to measure | >| > | > throughput. | >| > | > | > > The | >| > | > | > > engineer who was booked for the job told me, | >| > | > | > > " I wouldn't know anything about that" | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > When I explained that wholesale and retail couldn't even ping | >me | >| > he | >| > | > said, | >| > | > | > > "I'll get my collegue to call round as my wee XP laptop | >wouldn't | >| > be | >| > | > | > > powerful | >| > | > | > > enough for that". | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > What sortive clowns are these guys employing? | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > There's been one gentleman in BT though that I have to take | >my | >| > hat | >| > | > off | >| > | > | > > to. | >| > | > | > > He's a young fella like myself and we've screamed at | >engineers | >| > | > together. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > We've had the phone line isolated and the modem/router | >directly | >| > | > wired | >| > | > to | >| > | > | > > it. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > We've had battery cleared off the line, then two weeks later | >a | >| > lady | >| > | > | > > engineer | >| > | > | > > came and actually did clear the battery her male collegue was | >| > meant | >| > | > to | >| > | > | > > have | >| > | > | > > cleardd. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > We've had a new card, supposably fitted in the D Slam, | >| > (Exchange). | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > 4pm hits and we drop to 40k for all downloads inside the UK | >| > servers, | >| > | > 19K | >| > | > | > > or | >| > | > | > > below for outside. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I've been running speed tests and I'm coming back with 1700k | >out | >| > of | >| > | > a | >| > | > | > > possible 8128k. We're in a good area, close to the exchange, | >| > | > (around | >| > | > | > > 1500metres), and we recieve the full 8128 signal. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > The place over there is a shambles. I'm frankly pissed off | >by | >| > the | >| > | > lack | >| > | > | > > of | >| > | > | > > knowledge their engineers have, this is compounded by them | >| > | > attempting | >| > | > to | >| > | > | > > hide behind jargon. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > My XP laptop isnt' powerful enough to try and see if I can | >ping | >| > | > you.... | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > He didn't have a clue what ping was! | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > Fair enough, alot of people I'm mailing this to might not. | >This | >| > | > guy's | >| > | > a | >| > | > | > > field engineer for a broadband internet service provider! | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > He also tryed to give me BS about signal to noise ratio, and | >| > like | >| > | > with | >| > | > | > > the | >| > | > | > > other gentleman I explained about Shannon's theary that's | >used | >| > to | >| > | > | > > formulate | >| > | > | > > this. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > Do these clowns talk this way to all home end users? | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > Anyways, we're paying these jokers £52 a month for really | >crappy | >| > 8MB | >| > | > | > > service | >| > | > | > > plus all inclusive telephone calls to LAN lines in the UK. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I'm going to subscribe to £39 a month 20MB cable broadband, | >plus | >| > the | >| > | > | > > phone | >| > | > | > > calls from Virgin Media. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I've been told by a technician in BT, (naming no names), that | >| > he's | >| > | > on | >| > | > it | >| > | > | > > at | >| > | > | > > home and he really gets the speeds that are promised. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > This guy's good and I trust his judgement. Come on, anything | >| > has | >| > to | >| > | > be | >| > | > | > > better than this rubbish from BT! | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I'm tired of arguing, researching and learning about DSL | >service | >| > and | >| > | > how | >| > | > | > > it | >| > | > | > > works so I could force the engineers who did do work when | >they | >| > came | >| > | > out | >| > | > | > > to | >| > | > | > > do what they where and are being payed to do! | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > We could go for another DSL provider but, yes there's a 50-50 | >| > chance | >| > | > | > > it'll | >| > | > | > > be fine, even if it's using BT lines as they're testing fine. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I really think some routing table at least had went wrong | >| > somewhere | >| > | > on | >| > | > | > > the | >| > | > | > > local network. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I dont' want to be writing another email though like this in | >a | >| > | > months | >| > | > | > > time | >| > | > | > > because another one wont' listen. Let's isolate it | >completely | >| > and | >| > | > not | >| > | > | > > use | >| > | > | > > phone lines or broadband over them. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > On that, anyone got any decent Linksys cable router | >| > recommendations? | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I sold my WRT54G thinking this was going to be great with BT | >and | >| > am | >| > | > back | >| > | > | > > in | >| > | > | > > the market for a wireless router that works with cable | >modems. | >| > N | >| > | > | > > technology | >| > | > | > > is a must. I'm sure netgear and D Link are quite nice these | >| > days | >| > | > along | >| > | > | > > with | >| > | > | > > Belcon but I've always used Linksys and I like they're web | >| > utility. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I'll have a look at Linksys site but anything to look for | >would | >| > be | >| > | > handy. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > Thanks for listening to my tails of woe. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > My last piece of advice, educate yourselves or find someone | >who | >| > is | >| > | > more | >| > | > | > > technically minded to take charge because what I've | >experienced | >| > is | >| > | > that | >| > | > | > > they | >| > | > | > > will hide behind anything they can including outsourced help | >| > desks. | >| > | > They | >| > | > | > > will blame everythign on you, I've had three routers and | >three | >| > | > computers | >| > | > | > > tested here. | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I've just decided 8MB isnt' worth this hassle when i can go | >to | >| > | > Virgin | >| > | > and | >| > | > | > > woe be tide the first manager in BT who trys to tell me that | >| > they | >| > | > dont' | >| > | > | > > promise 8MB again! | >| > | > | > > | >| > | > | > > I know they don't! 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