Agreed Colin. It is a very bad example - as if things weren't hard enough with website developers anyway. Another site I want to take issue with is Silk Sound books, who have well read downloadable books for the same price you'd pay for a paper back in the shops. The website has a an announcement you cannot shut up which of course interferes with most using a soundcard for their speech. They've also started distributing their newsletter in graphical image form, which is no use to me. There just seems so much damned crass indifference to our needs, and often on sites like Silk Sound Books who you would have thought would have VI readers in mind to sell books to. So much for us as a "market" argument. didn't work for the Sonus Radio so no wonder we look to legistlation for a solution. Sorry to go on a bit, but I certainly hope the IPlayer problem gets solved soon, but we've so little voice when it comes to publicising these issues; and thats another shortcoming of programme policy and coverage in this case. Cheers, Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Fowler Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer Hi Ray, You're absolutely right there. Where the difference here is though, is the simple fact that the BBC is a public authority, this development and the subsequent introduction of new applications is paid for by us as licence payers! The BBC have a statutory obligation to comply with their due regard for the equality of opportunity for disabled people, and I player as an application as it has been introduced and currently is available does not demonstrate that the BBC has in anyway complied with this. Now, if the BBC who have a statutory obligation to comply with legislation and don't bother, what message does that send out to application developers working in the private sector? This is a golden opportunity for those people disadvantaged by inaccessible applications to make a statement. We are not prepared to put up with this discriminatory behaviour any longer! So who's going to support this? individuals? the BCAB? the BCS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Rays Home To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer Well Colin, yu've managed to find something at BCAB! I've just searched through this month's archive and didn't encounter anything about the new IPlayer. There is of course no defence of the IPlayer as it stands but so many large companies just never ever seem to integrate accessability into the design of software and websites. It always seems to be that occasionally something gets done, and then the issue is forgotten about and hasn't made its way into general practice of developer teams. I've no idea wether Ulie Schiller is VI or not; most likely not even though there are VI software writers in the mainstream if very rarely. Cheers, Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Fowler Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC Iplayer Hmmmmmm, and is Julie Shiller a screen reader user? Not another sighted person that uses a screen reader from a sighted persons perspective of testing applications? Eric Hugger is the head of future media and technology and Andrea Kalander the head of diversity, I think that we should be petitioning people with that seniority for improvements, after all they are answerable for any infringements to accessibility and equality. I've viewed the BCAB archive on the I Player thread, and apart from one message that demonstrated just what and how systemic the problem at the BBC is, there didn't seem to be anything of any more interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 26/07/2008 16:18