Ray In my experience people in employment tend to go for split screen CCTV's with a single Large LCD monitor. This always with screen reader software. Some also like to use a programmable XY table. This then keeps their hands totally free to use the keyboard on the computer. You also then have the option to use foot controls to move the CCTV table. This then becomes a manageable ergonomic workstation, without two large bulky monitors. Some also like the idea of using the CCTV camera for distance work, like reading a white board in a control centre for instance. Some split screen CCTV's can't manage this as the camera is fixed into a swan neck camera unit. The only way to get round this is to have an additional distance camera. Regards Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Are CCTVs that useful? > Colin. That would be very useful. > > We've already mentioned, although only in passing, copy typing. When I used > a CCTV for a year or so, one of the things I envisaged doing was using split > screen to view what I was working on with the computer while reading text > from the camera. I liked the idea of not moving my head between two > monitors, not to mention the enormous desk-hogging downside of having two, > in those days, CRT monitors. I wonder if there are many who value that > aspect of CCTV? > > Obviously, I did this in situations where documents would not be scanned > very accurately, or in cases where I was handling hand-written notes for > transfer to computer. > > The whole process never worked as smoothly as I had thought it would. > Certainly you need a largish monitor if you are going to use one screen. Of > course, these days LCD screens are much more economical of space, if not on > the pocket. > > Ray. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Colin @ New Vision" <cph.newvision@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:25 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Are CCTVs that useful? > > > Hi Ray > > When I get a few minutes I will try and give you an idea of the sort of > products sold to private, education and employment and the reasons why these > people tend to choose a particular product and the advantages they seem to > find in using that product. > > Regards > Colin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:53 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Are CCTVs that useful? > > > > This question is, of course, prompted by tonight's In Touch. Maybe the > > worth of training, and what Goverment or large charities can do to ease > the > > affordability of access equipment will be commented on further. It's > CCTVs > > that are occupying my thoughtsjust now though. I apologise again if this > is > > pretty rambling, but I hope it may get a little response. > > > > I'm sure some will answer 'Yes!' to my question. Maybe, as in so many > > things, I'm the odd one out; but I am someone who might be thought to be > > your stereotypical user, of CCTV if amount of eyesight is the prime > > consideration. Yet I've never felt a great urge to have one. > > > > My accuity is around 2-3x20. Certainly registable as blind, which I have > > been since age eight. I've always made good use of the little sight I > have. > > I taught myself to read print using an x10 glass, given me by an optition > > who was belwildered about what to offer me. It was just what I needed. > > From then on I read Practical Wireless, comics and anything that took my > > fancy, including, sometimes, newspapers. > > > > At first CCTV seemed a brilliant idea. But when I realised how cumbersome > > they were, both in size and in use - moving that table around all the > time, > > and trying to find what you wanted - I was much less impressed. By the > > price too! I mean, a thousand quid or more for a camera a CRT and a few > > controls, not very different from a TV, to twiddle? > > > > I've modified my opinion since, but still do not see, (smile) the big > deal. > > Not for me. I still read a lot with an x10, these days with in-built LED > > light. I read whole novels, quite slowly of course, but quickly enough to > > get great enjoyment. I also use audio books from time to time too. Not > to > > mention BBC7 and Oneword. OK, the last two radio options do not give you > > what you want, when you want, but still I get a good deal from those > > sources. > > > > So who is the clientel for these marvelous CCTVs? Older people who have > > lost a fair deal of eyesight is one group. I suspect many are very > quickly > > disappointed though as they never get anywhere near the ease and speed of > > reading they were used to when they had normal sight. Judging by the > numbers > > of used CCTVs I used to see in New Beacon, I think I might be right here. > > Maybe some younger people have been steered in the CCTV direction and also > > maybe resist the ways of the blind in tackling reading, as though its the > > final admission of defeat to use audio. I suspect too that some helpers > and > > professionals feel much more at ease with a group and a method coser to > > their own visual way of doing things. > > > > Maybe I am forgetting that some want this method to deal with short > > corespondence and the like. As for using them to fill in forms, even here > I > > do not get the point. I often use my magnifier for that too. Or > sometimes > > I am happy for someone else to do it if its not urgent. I suppose a more > > fomfortable posture is an advantage. > > > > So folks, who uses CCTV? For what? And, do you feel its worth the often > > considerable outlay? I would say that some of the more reasonable > offerings > > from New Vision and one or two others may help change my mind. Much more > > compact, much less desk hogs. And I could see myself using such devices > > maybe for map reading, or a little copy typing. But for reading novels, > > give me my trusty x10 any day. > > > > Oh, did I mention, I also read Braille? Well, very little these days, but > I > > can read it fluently enough to enjoy using that medium too. Aren't I a > > lucky so and so? > > > > Ray. > > > > > > > > ** Going on holiday and want to halt messages? 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