James, It could be argued though that because you're using a propriatory OS, there's less versatility in-terms of hardware, and software available for it. Granted, the lack of a registry or dll's is nice. As a former Mac user I found installing and uninstalling apps a breeze in comparison to Windows. However, people are very quick to forget the vast and i do mean vast compatibility and legacy support the Windows platform must support. I'd love to see power VO, Win Eyes and JAWS users go head to head in a competition. I simply dont' believe that the VO user could win. One thing that would put them at a disadvantage straight off is that VO will not speak as fast as Elaquince or Dectalk. Therefore if as part of said test you had to wait for speech comfirmation... Barry Barry Toner BCS Belfast Branch YPG Representative & Disability Group http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=nav.10444 Contact me @ Professional: barry.toner@xxxxxxxxxx Personal Email: barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN/Live: djpaddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx TWITTER: dj_paddy Skype: djpaddy Mobile: (UK) +44 (0) 7921 611 253 -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James & Nash Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:37 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device Hi Steve, I think the thing Lyn is referring to here - at least partly, is the way that Mac OS X being UNIX based allocates the RAM. If you have 2GB of RAM Mac OS X will actually allow you to use it all. There is a noticeable improvement too, , because the OS is far lighter than Windows du at least in part i suspect to the fact that there is no Registry or DLL files etc. As Mac OS X is built upon a UNIX foundation and UNIX was (and still is) designed to be a true multi-user operating system, the whole experience is at least in my opinion far smoother and faster due not only to the power and design of UNIX, and the reasons I've given above, but also to Apple's philosophy. I'm sure Lyn will chime in with other reasons that she has, but that is just part of what makes a Mac experience so fulfilling. I can't really speak for the responsiveness of JFW vs VO as i don't use the Windows Screen Readers enough anymore to make that comparison accurately. And besides, you are comparing two different Assistive Technologies on two different platforms each using a very different approach. Having said this, though, I would say that once user is comfortable using VO, they are at least as fast as a JFW or WE user in getting things done, if not quicker. TC James Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 28 Jan 2010, at 23:24, Steve Nutt wrote: > Hi Lyn, > > Are you compairing with Windows XP, or Windows 7? Are both your PC and your > Apple exactly the same speed? Do they have the same processor? I am afraid > what you are saying is not very scientific. If your processor on your Apple > is faster than your PC, then of course VO will be faster. But I don't think > it is any more responsive than either JFW or WE with a decent synthesiser. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Lyn & Twinny > Sent: Thursday 28 January 2010 18:48 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple unveils iPad tablet device > > Of course all you people that sell screen readers like JFW and WE will never > give anything else the time of day and would rather criticise. I hate to > say it but Jfw is a total rip off, especially here in Europe and I am just > glad that blind people have other alternatives at last such as the mac > and/or linux. And to those who think that voice over is a trunked version > of narator, you are totally wrong as this is definitely not the case. Over > here in France, we are really pushing the mac and a lot of us have already > switched over. Not only is the mac now fully accessible but Mac OSX runs so > much faster and smoother than Windows and it is a real pleasure to be able > to use the full capacity of your computer. I have compared my Windows PC > and my mac and I definitely know which one is the most efficient. > > Take care, > Lyn & Twinny > > *********** > "One day in your life > You'll remember the love you found here > You'll remember me somehow > Though you don't need me now > I will stay in your heart > And when things fall apart > You'll remember one day..." > (How can we forget you Michael, a gentle soul like yours will forever live > on!) > *********** > MSN and Email= > keanemaniac@xxxxxxxxx > > skype= > keanemaniac > > You can find me on facebook > www.facebook.com/Lyn.33.bordeaux. > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4815 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4815 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4815 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq