Hi Jim, It's still painful to use if you are blind for real productivity. I have an iPod touch, but I would never have an iPhone. Besides, it's so poor as a phone anyway, the battery life is poor and the battery is not even user replacable. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jim denton Sent: Saturday 16 January 2010 17:06 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? Hi Steve, good point, but the interface is more of a visual concept. People who loose their sight later in life may find that easier to learn. As I have said, it is good to have choices, and thats good for every one. Cheers for now Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? > Hi Jim, > > But that's just the point. You are not using the same commands as sighted > people as you put it. > > When you turn on Voiceover, it changes the gesturing system to that which > is > more "blind-friendly" for want of a better word. > > So many sighted people don't understand the interface at all when > voiceover > is turned on. > > Had they kept it the same for both camps, then it really would have been > good, but they didn't for one reason or another, and that's one thing I > don't like. > > With Talks for example, for the most part, you are accessing the phone > exactly the same as a sighted person would, except for special keys like > the > signal strength etc. But Apple in their wisdom, chose to change the whole > gesturing system. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > jim denton > Sent: Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:08 > To: accessuk > Subject: [access-uk] Apple or? > > Hi all, > > Just a few thoughts. I have been reading a few of the threads over the > last > week or so, the I.pod touch came up. I am not going to bang the drum for > one > > device or another. > > As some will know, I like things to be simple, I am a user of tech gear, > but > > don't really understand whats going on underneath. > > Nokia have been providing phones for over 12 years, third party companies > have added speech to those phones for us. Now there is GPS added to that, > again by third parties. That makes three different companies in the loop > to > give the phone functions for us to use. I don't know what the time gap > there > > is to update for us, but my guess is that Nokia has to upgrade the > opperating system, then the speech companies do their stuff and finally > the > navigation software. Hopefully all three areas talk to each other, but I > bet > > they all blaim each other for bugs and faults. Who is at the end of this > game us, speech has been on the phone for about ten years, but we have to > wait, and then cough up for new releases. > > Apple brought out their first phone three years ago, not accessable. but > two > > years later, there is a accessable phone, a new concept for us blinkies to > get to grips with. The speech is part of the opperating system, so thats > one > > less third party company to deal with. This phone is less than a year old, > and you can already get Navigation, dictation, music, and a choice of > thousands of other apps to try out. Not all of the stuff works well, and > some does not work at all, but it gives us more choice. I have not used > one > of these phones but it seems to me, that if we are using the same > commands > as our sighted friends, then they will be able to help and advise rather > than having expensive training with our hightech wizards. There will be > less chance of the specialist companies blaiming the opperating systems > for > bugs, and blaiming other access companies when their stuff doesn't work. > > For me, a phone is to make calls on, and text on. I would like to have a > pocket navigation solution, and at some point use the phone to get on to > the > > internet. I will be upgrading my phone this year and will look at all the > options. If the Iphone gets a really good Daisy reader, and maybe a > scanning > > app, then I will seriously look at that, to do all that with a Nokia phone > would cost a lot of money and woud remain a dream. > > Keep it simple stupid Jim > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq