[access-uk] Re: Apple or?

Hi Steve, 

What you need to remember is that regardless of whether people use a Mac or the 
IPhone, Apple's philosophy is that the Blind should be able to access the same 
information as sighted users in exactly the same way. Thus Voice Over users 
object navigation on both. Object Navigation gives us the ability to view the 
screen in the same way as our sighted counterparts i.e. if someone is asking me 
where the Mailboxes window is to be found in Mail, I can tell them to look on 
the left hand side of the window. Moreover, I can tell them that it is to the 
left of the message table and separated by a vertical splitter.  This to my 
knowledge cannot be done with other Screen readers except NVDA and Orca to some 
extent.

But as Jim said, the fact that we now have choices is great. So is the fact 
that we no longer need to be part of the monopoly if we do not wish to be. 

I am curious,  have you had the opportunity to sit down with a Mac or an IPhone 
yet?

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny


On 16 Jan 2010, at 17:06, jim denton wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> 
> good point, but the interface is more of a visual concept. People who loose 
> their sight later in life may find that easier to learn. As I have said, it 
> is good to have choices, and thats good for every one.
> 
> Cheers for now Jim
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?
> 
> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>> But that's just the point.  You are not using the same commands as sighted
>> people as you put it.
>> 
>> When you turn on Voiceover, it changes the gesturing system to that which is
>> more "blind-friendly" for want of a better word.
>> 
>> So many sighted people don't understand the interface at all when voiceover
>> is turned on.
>> 
>> Had they kept it the same for both camps, then it really would have been
>> good, but they didn't for one reason or another, and that's one thing I
>> don't like.
>> 
>> With Talks for example, for the most part, you are accessing the phone
>> exactly the same as a sighted person would, except for special keys like the
>> signal strength etc.  But Apple in their wisdom, chose to change the whole
>> gesturing system.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> jim denton
>> Sent: Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:08
>> To: accessuk
>> Subject: [access-uk] Apple or?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just a few thoughts. I have been reading a few of the threads over the last
>> week or so, the I.pod touch came up. I am not going to bang the drum for one
>> 
>> device or another.
>> 
>> As some will know, I like things to be simple, I am a user of tech gear, but
>> 
>> don't really understand whats going on underneath.
>> 
>> Nokia have been providing phones for over 12 years, third party companies
>> have added speech to those phones for us. Now there is GPS added to that,
>> again by third parties. That makes three different companies in the loop to
>> give the phone functions for us to use. I don't know what the time gap there
>> 
>> is to update for us, but my guess is that Nokia has to upgrade the
>> opperating system, then the speech companies do their stuff and finally the
>> navigation software. Hopefully all three areas talk to each other, but I bet
>> 
>> they all blaim each other for bugs and faults. Who is at the end of this
>> game us, speech has been on the phone for about ten years, but we have to
>> wait, and then cough up for new releases.
>> 
>> Apple brought out their first phone three years ago, not accessable. but two
>> 
>> years later, there is a accessable phone, a new concept for us blinkies to
>> get to grips with. The speech is part of the opperating system, so thats one
>> 
>> less third party company to deal with. This phone is less than a year old,
>> and you can already get Navigation, dictation, music, and a choice of
>> thousands of other apps to try out. Not all of the stuff works well, and
>> some does not work at all, but it gives us more choice. I have not used one
>> of these phones but it seems to me,  that if we are using the same commands
>> as our sighted friends, then they will be able to help and advise rather
>> than  having expensive training with our hightech wizards. There will be
>> less chance of the specialist companies blaiming the opperating systems for
>> bugs, and blaiming other access companies when their stuff doesn't work.
>> 
>> For me, a phone is to make calls on, and text on. I would like to have a
>> pocket navigation solution, and at some point use the phone to get on to the
>> 
>> internet. I will be upgrading my phone this year and will look at all the
>> options. If the Iphone gets a really good Daisy reader, and maybe a scanning
>> 
>> app, then I will seriously look at that, to do all that with a Nokia phone
>> would cost a lot of money and woud remain a dream.
>> 
>> Keep it simple stupid Jim
>> 
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