[access-uk] Re: Apple or?

  • From: "jim denton" <jimdenton@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:43:51 -0000

Hi Steve,
thanks for that. How long has the N97 been out, and is it fully accessable? I'm sure you willl say it is useable, but fully accessable.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:43 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?



Hi Jim,
You are wrong too <Smile>. The Stream battery is user replacable. Yes, you have to buy it from Humanware, but you don't have to send it back to change 
it.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
jim denton
Sent: Sunday 17 January 2010 20:07
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?

Steve,

I don't think the apple products have all the answers, but the
victor Streme has to have a battery changed by Humanware. What about the
Booksense? My point is, Apple has only produced phones for three years, and 
the power and other bugs will be sorted. The other thing is look at Window
mobile has battery problems, and bugs and they have pushed their phones for 
more than three years.

A point in another message said that with voice over you get to know where
things are on a screen are, and you can't do that with our usual screen
readers, not with out learning different key strokes anyway.

I am not sure about productivity with the I Phone, you can make calls with
it, and you can text with it, thats productive enough. As a business phone
maybe having email and access to the web would be handy, but want to do you want? Word processing, spreadsheets, powerpoint, do other phones offer that, 

and would you like to spend hours using them.

Cheers for now Jim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:16 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?



Hi Jim,

It's still painful to use if you are blind for real productivity.  I have
an
iPod touch, but I would never have an iPhone.  Besides, it's so poor as a
phone anyway, the battery life is poor and the battery is not even user
replacable.

All the best

Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
jim denton
Sent: Saturday 16 January 2010 17:06
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?

Hi Steve,

good point, but the interface is more of a visual concept. People who
loose
their sight later in life may find that easier to learn. As I have said,
it
is good to have choices, and thats good for every one.

Cheers for now Jim
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or?



Hi Jim,

But that's just the point.  You are not using the same commands as
sighted
people as you put it.
When you turn on Voiceover, it changes the gesturing system to that which 
is
more "blind-friendly" for want of a better word.

So many sighted people don't understand the interface at all when
voiceover
is turned on.

Had they kept it the same for both camps, then it really would have been
good, but they didn't for one reason or another, and that's one thing I
don't like.

With Talks for example, for the most part, you are accessing the phone
exactly the same as a sighted person would, except for special keys like
the
signal strength etc.  But Apple in their wisdom, chose to change the
whole
gesturing system.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
jim denton
Sent: Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:08
To: accessuk
Subject: [access-uk] Apple or?

Hi all,

Just a few thoughts. I have been reading a few of the threads over the
last
week or so, the I.pod touch came up. I am not going to bang the drum for
one

device or another.

As some will know, I like things to be simple, I am a user of tech gear,
but

don't really understand whats going on underneath.
Nokia have been providing phones for over 12 years, third party companies have added speech to those phones for us. Now there is GPS added to that, 
again by third parties. That makes three different companies in the loop
to
give the phone functions for us to use. I don't know what the time gap
there

is to update for us, but my guess is that Nokia has to upgrade the
opperating system, then the speech companies do their stuff and finally
the
navigation software. Hopefully all three areas talk to each other, but I
bet

they all blaim each other for bugs and faults. Who is at the end of this
game us, speech has been on the phone for about ten years, but we have to 
wait, and then cough up for new releases.

Apple brought out their first phone three years ago, not accessable. but
two

years later, there is a accessable phone, a new concept for us blinkies
to
get to grips with. The speech is part of the opperating system, so thats
one

less third party company to deal with. This phone is less than a year
old,
and you can already get Navigation, dictation, music, and a choice of
thousands of other apps to try out. Not all of the stuff works well, and
some does not work at all, but it gives us more choice. I have not used
one
of these phones but it seems to me,  that if we are using the same
commands
as our sighted friends, then they will be able to help and advise rather
than  having expensive training with our hightech wizards. There will be
less chance of the specialist companies blaiming the opperating systems
for
bugs, and blaiming other access companies when their stuff doesn't work.

For me, a phone is to make calls on, and text on. I would like to have a
pocket navigation solution, and at some point use the phone to get on to
the
internet. I will be upgrading my phone this year and will look at all the 
options. If the Iphone gets a really good Daisy reader, and maybe a
scanning

app, then I will seriously look at that, to do all that with a Nokia
phone
would cost a lot of money and woud remain a dream.

Keep it simple stupid Jim


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