I bet it's incredibly expensive being from HW. TC James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny On 18 Jan 2010, at 09:43, Steve Nutt wrote: > Hi Jim, > > You are wrong too <Smile>. The Stream battery is user replacable. Yes, you > have to buy it from Humanware, but you don't have to send it back to change > it. > > All the best > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > jim denton > Sent: Sunday 17 January 2010 20:07 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? > > Steve, > > I don't think the apple products have all the answers, but the > victor Streme has to have a battery changed by Humanware. What about the > Booksense? My point is, Apple has only produced phones for three years, and > the power and other bugs will be sorted. The other thing is look at Window > mobile has battery problems, and bugs and they have pushed their phones for > more than three years. > > A point in another message said that with voice over you get to know where > things are on a screen are, and you can't do that with our usual screen > readers, not with out learning different key strokes anyway. > > I am not sure about productivity with the I Phone, you can make calls with > it, and you can text with it, thats productive enough. As a business phone > maybe having email and access to the web would be handy, but want to do you > want? Word processing, spreadsheets, powerpoint, do other phones offer that, > > and would you like to spend hours using them. > > Cheers for now Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:16 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? > > >> Hi Jim, >> >> It's still painful to use if you are blind for real productivity. I have >> an >> iPod touch, but I would never have an iPhone. Besides, it's so poor as a >> phone anyway, the battery life is poor and the battery is not even user >> replacable. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >> Of >> jim denton >> Sent: Saturday 16 January 2010 17:06 >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> good point, but the interface is more of a visual concept. People who >> loose >> their sight later in life may find that easier to learn. As I have said, >> it >> is good to have choices, and thats good for every one. >> >> Cheers for now Jim >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:40 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple or? >> >> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> But that's just the point. You are not using the same commands as >>> sighted >>> people as you put it. >>> >>> When you turn on Voiceover, it changes the gesturing system to that which >>> is >>> more "blind-friendly" for want of a better word. >>> >>> So many sighted people don't understand the interface at all when >>> voiceover >>> is turned on. >>> >>> Had they kept it the same for both camps, then it really would have been >>> good, but they didn't for one reason or another, and that's one thing I >>> don't like. >>> >>> With Talks for example, for the most part, you are accessing the phone >>> exactly the same as a sighted person would, except for special keys like >>> the >>> signal strength etc. But Apple in their wisdom, chose to change the >>> whole >>> gesturing system. >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf >>> Of >>> jim denton >>> Sent: Wednesday 13 January 2010 16:08 >>> To: accessuk >>> Subject: [access-uk] Apple or? >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just a few thoughts. I have been reading a few of the threads over the >>> last >>> week or so, the I.pod touch came up. I am not going to bang the drum for >>> one >>> >>> device or another. >>> >>> As some will know, I like things to be simple, I am a user of tech gear, >>> but >>> >>> don't really understand whats going on underneath. >>> >>> Nokia have been providing phones for over 12 years, third party companies >>> have added speech to those phones for us. Now there is GPS added to that, >>> again by third parties. That makes three different companies in the loop >>> to >>> give the phone functions for us to use. I don't know what the time gap >>> there >>> >>> is to update for us, but my guess is that Nokia has to upgrade the >>> opperating system, then the speech companies do their stuff and finally >>> the >>> navigation software. Hopefully all three areas talk to each other, but I >>> bet >>> >>> they all blaim each other for bugs and faults. Who is at the end of this >>> game us, speech has been on the phone for about ten years, but we have to >>> wait, and then cough up for new releases. >>> >>> Apple brought out their first phone three years ago, not accessable. but >>> two >>> >>> years later, there is a accessable phone, a new concept for us blinkies >>> to >>> get to grips with. The speech is part of the opperating system, so thats >>> one >>> >>> less third party company to deal with. This phone is less than a year >>> old, >>> and you can already get Navigation, dictation, music, and a choice of >>> thousands of other apps to try out. Not all of the stuff works well, and >>> some does not work at all, but it gives us more choice. I have not used >>> one >>> of these phones but it seems to me, that if we are using the same >>> commands >>> as our sighted friends, then they will be able to help and advise rather >>> than having expensive training with our hightech wizards. There will be >>> less chance of the specialist companies blaiming the opperating systems >>> for >>> bugs, and blaiming other access companies when their stuff doesn't work. >>> >>> For me, a phone is to make calls on, and text on. I would like to have a >>> pocket navigation solution, and at some point use the phone to get on to >>> the >>> >>> internet. I will be upgrading my phone this year and will look at all the >>> options. If the Iphone gets a really good Daisy reader, and maybe a >>> scanning >>> >>> app, then I will seriously look at that, to do all that with a Nokia >>> phone >>> would cost a lot of money and woud remain a dream. >>> >>> Keep it simple stupid Jim >>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >>> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >>> >>> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq