[access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity

Ok, I take back some of my last message as I didn't think about the 
dictionary manager.  However, if a screen reader user hasn't used the 
dictionary manager to read winks and smiles, then the sentiment of my last 
message stands.

Cheers

Barry

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amro Bilal" <amro_bilal@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity


"Incidently, I don't hear any smilies when written with ;) or similar as i 
have the amount of punctuation and verbosity set very low to speed up the 
speech output.  This does get confusing when someone asks a question about 
them, for instance!!"

Sorry Mark didn't mean to confuse you! But couldn't ask about smilys without 
typing them using punctuation marks!

OK. Wouldn't be an idea then to make Jaws use a similar dictionary for 
Outlook and IE to the one that is used with MSN? I mean, in your case Mark, 
how do you deal with emails from outside this list, internet forums and even 
text messages? Do other screen readers have something akin to the Jaws 
dictionary? And re the point Chris made about Braille displays, do Braille 
displays not display punctuation marks correctly then?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Threadgold
  To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:38 PM
  Subject: [access-uk] Re: An observation and a curiosity


  This goes back to the writing of html where the tag for starting a line of 
code is enclosed in the two signs such as <grin>.

  The end of the portion of code is represented by the same word in the 
characters but with a slash preceding it such as </grin>.

  Over time folks have simply stopped putting in the <> signs round the tag.

  Incidently, I don't hear any smilies when written with ;) or similar as i 
have the amount of punctuation and verbosity set very low to speed up the 
speech output.  This does get confusing when someone asks a question about 
them, for instance!!

  hth,



  Mark Threadgold

  Of all the things I have ever lost, The one I miss most is my mind...





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  From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Amro Bilal
  Sent: 11 November 2008 21:25
  To: Access-UK
  Subject: [access-uk] An observation and a curiosity


  Hi all,

  This might be OT, not really sure but here goes.

  I noticed on this list that people don't use smileys and winks such as :) 
;) etc. People rather write smile, wink and what have you. I've never come 
across this practise on any other emailing list or internet forum. It struck 
me that even literate computer users on this list do that. So I wander, is 
there a reason for this practise? Do Braille users find wink signs confusing 
for instance? Excuse my ignorance, but I rely on my screen reader's speech 
output and I've never had any problems with reading winks. I started doing 
what everyone else does on this list and the Jaws list but never asked why!

  If there's a good reason behind this I'd be glad to learn it. If there 
isn't, then IMHO this is a bad habit. What applies to other internet forums 
I believe should apply here too unless there's a justification for doing 
otherwise. Am I being pedantic? Would love to here other people opinions!

  Cheers,
  Amro 

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