[access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually Impaired

I don't take it personally old chap but there is no doubt that sales of Apple 
equipment to businesses is increasing while microsoft is decreasing and to deny 
it that is barmy.  :-)

Cheers

G

From glorious Devon, England.
On 24 Jun 2010, at 16:48, Tristram Llewellyn wrote:

> Chillout!  It's not a personal attack on Apple or you.
> 
> Google is a very large company indeed, it has indeed adopted Macs certainly 
> on its desktop side.  However it is a technology company very specifically 
> and it has been a high profile casualty of some Windows flaws particular with 
> respect to its China operation.  
> 
> However many companies are not at least instantly going to follow the same 
> line despite the kind of hype that sites like AppleInsider tend to purvey.  
> Bear in mind Gordon I own two Macs and are very happy with them and use them 
> every day so please don't get too upset thinking I am some kind of Mac nay 
> sayer here.  I don't even feel that I have a foot as such in each camp, I use 
> these things watch and analyse.  
> 
> My perception of this is that Apple don't yet operate in a way that is going 
> to attract businesses on mass scale despite your Google citation.  If you 
> want to have an idea of the true state of things look how Apple have been 
> making efforts to license and bring in Exchange compatibility into their 
> operating system, this is tacit acknowledgement that they are attempting to 
> woo a business market which does use Microsoft servers.  They could have 
> developed their own thing but that is crazy when business clearly have 
> adopted Exchange as their standard for email serving.
> 
> Its fine the disagree though.
> 
> Regards.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Gordon Keen
> Sent: 24 June 2010 15:55
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] 
> Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually Impaired
> 
> Really?
> 
> When my son worked for multimap it was taken over by microsoft and they gave 
> his team the choice of which lap top to have, they all asked for mac book pro 
> machines and microsoft agreed.
> 
> Or perhaps you don't think google are a big enough business, they have just 
> announced that they are changing to Apple.
> 
> Sorry but I don't agree with you on this one.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> G
> 
> From glorious Devon, England.
> On 24 Jun 2010, at 15:31, Tristram Llewellyn wrote:
> 
>> Apple will make significant inroads into the domestic market which in many 
>> ways is more flexible.  However business desktop and server markets are 
>> quite another thing altogether.  As I said before the Apple culture will 
>> have to re-orientate significantly for businesses to take it up in any 
>> significant numbers.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> Gordon Keen
>> Sent: 24 June 2010 14:48
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland] 
>> Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually Impaired
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Last time I looked, around March time, Apple's sales to business customers 
>> had increased by 26 per cent which was some 6 per cent above market 
>> expectations.
>> This is part of a continuing growth pattern.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> From glorious Devon, England.
>> On 24 Jun 2010, at 14:25, Dave Taylor wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I agree with all that, and this is why I said change in the employment
>>> market will be very slow.  Frankly it is this market that FS are interested
>>> in, not the consumer market, and the UK taking cost cutting measures alone
>>> will do nothing to it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Tristram Llewellyn
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:46 PM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Affordable Accessibility, was Re: Fw: [vicsireland]
>>> Digit-Eyes Audio Labelling System Advances Independence For Visually
>>> Impaired
>>> 
>>> Responding to Dave Taylor, Apple have a long way to go with the business
>>> world.  It is not simply that Microsoft has over 90 percent of the business
>>> desktop market and a very large share of the server market now, they know
>>> their customers very well and what their proprieties are.  There is a danger
>>> here that people confuse the buzz with what is actually occurring.  In
>>> regard to businesses needs MS tell their business customers what the roadmap
>>> is ahead, are now these days very open about their security issues and are
>>> in the process of adapting or be it very slowly to market forces.  They do
>>> listen to their business customers even if consumers feel left out of it.
>>> Businesses are very conservative creatures by nature and they have to be
>>> because stability is what they require.  The way Apple currently operate
>>> would not fit with this outlook.
>>> 
>>> Apple by contrast to MS are highly secretive to the point of paranoia, likes
>>> only to reveal when they are ready surprise and wow their public who are
>>> generally over excited and under critical audience at the best of times.
>>> They can be flighty on certain details, don't admit that Mac OS has
>>> potential security flaws and indeed very quietly stick in bits of malware
>>> protection without letting hardly anyone know they have even done it rather
>>> than admit there is a potential issue.  If Apple are going to crack the
>>> business market, it will have to be a bit more than just exchange support
>>> here and there.  The actual outlook to a business customer segment would
>>> have to be completely different from the one they have with the consumer
>>> market presently.
>>> 
>>> At present it is true that Apple do have something to offer the
>>> domestic/consumer market that is attractive but widespread adoption in
>>> business is another thing.
>>> 
>>> Regards.
>>> 
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