[access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:43:00 -0000
Jackie
I think the answer to your question is nothing.
Iain
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
Ron, please forgive me for being completely stupid here, but what is the
point of that if it is PC-based when you could go on the Internet using a
screen reader to log onto radio stations anyway as I do now?
Yes, I've definitely heard of Freedom Box and the System Access thing, but
I'm just not sure what you would gain by having them over what you have with
a PC and Internet access with your screen reader.
Steve, explain please (smile).
Thanks Ron for the info.
Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: "ron sears" <r.sears1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
> Jackie, the best thing would be to ask Steve. He will explain the pricing
> structure. Basically it is what was once the Freedom Box which I am sure
> you
> would have heard about. It is a network with all this content on plus
> there is
> System Access which although not strictly a screenreader is much cheaper
> than
> Jaws or Windoweyes. You can also have all this on a key to take and plug
> into
> any computer and it will talk. There are others on this list who have it
> so you
> may get some more feed back.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:51 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>
>
> Ron, this has passed me by. What is it and how does it work please? See,
> I
> don't know everything unfortunately (big smile).
>
> Jackie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron sears" <r.sears1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>
>
>> Hello All. If this radio is not accessible, why not go for the SAMOBILE
>> network
>> sold by Steve Nutt. There are quite a number of stations from all over
>> the
>> world and lots in the U.K. You could listen to these using your RF
>> wireless
>> headphones. There are also hundreds of audio described films and other
>> content.
>> The cost is about the same as your radios you are researching and you
>> won't have
>> a problem with accessibility.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:46 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Right, here is the latest on the accessibility of Internet radio. I've
>> been
>> messing around for over a day and have come up against some problems that
>> I'll share with you now so you know the score.
>>
>> Firstly, we picked the Intempo Internet radio from Argos at £119.99. As
>> it
>> happened, it was one of the only choices of five they had in stock, but
>> it
>> was my first pick anyway.
>>
>> The Intempo came with wireless capability, and an ethernet port. More
>> importantly, it had 99 presets and a remote control to allow you to key
>> in
>> those presets directly. When Ian turned it on, he told us that the
>> display
>> came up with the welcome logo, and then found the network. Of course it
>> came up with Sky, and asked for our security key. Now in answer to
>> Marie's
>> question, you have to use the dial to spin it round for each letter or
>> number you want to key in, then select it. This is totally useless for
>> us
>> by the way.
>>
>> Once it accepted the security key and proceeded to log onto our network,
>> it
>> asked whether we wanted Windows Media Player or stations. We selected
>> the
>> latter. Then it wanted to know if we wanted genre or locations, and we
>> again chose the latter. There was a massive list of countries, with
>> Afghanistan at the top of the alphabetical list. Ian chose the
>> Netherlands,
>> and found Sky Radio, which came on after a few minutes of waiting. If
>> you
>> turned off the radio and turned it back on again, it defaulted to the
>> last
>> station we were listening to, so that was helpful.
>>
>> But after initially listening to the station, we started to notice it
>> cutting off altogether for maybe 30 seconds or so, then coming back on.
>> Then whatever was playing began to jump like the arm on a record being
>> moved
>> over it at random.
>>
>> Senior Ian checked that this was not happening on Sky Radio using the
>> Internet on the PC, and it stayed completely steady. So we tried the
>> radio
>> directly using the RJ45, and got the same results. We turned all the PCs
>> off and just had the radio running, with the same outcome.
>>
>> We decided today that we would have to try another radio in case the
>> Intempo
>> had a fault. We knew it couldn't be our connection to the Internet
>> because
>> everything else has been working normally. So the only other radio Argos
>> had was a Bush at £89.99. They couldn't give us another Intempo as it
>> was
>> the only one they had, but were happy about refunding us our money.
>>
>> When we brought the Bush home and Ian went through the same procedure,
>> the
>> exact same thing started to occur. This radio has 10 presets and is
>> wireless only.
>>
>> So now we have a dilemma. For some unknown reason, both radios, bearing
>> in
>> mind they are different models altogether, do the same thing when they
>> are
>> connected to a radio station, whatever that station happens to be. We
>> tried
>> Capital FM and the BBC, but it still did the same with both sets.
>>
>> I have to be honest and say that these radios are completely inaccessible
>> for a non-sighted person to navigate. Even if you remember that the
>> radio
>> asks you for genre or locations, and you manage to remember how many
>> times
>> to go up and down the massive list in each category, you are on a hiding
>> to
>> nothing because you don't know any of the stations available. We knew
>> this
>> when we started out, so aren't so much frustrated about that. What we
>> had
>> planned to do is pick a few of our favourites and store them into the
>> presets. But if the radios don't have fast enough processors, and keep
>> dropping out or jumping, I don't know what the pleasure is in all
>> honesty.
>>
>> Carol asked why it would not be simpler to just use a PC. I just wanted
>> an
>> Internet radio to be able to move it anywhere away from the computer
>> without
>> having it switched on all the time. For example, lying in bed and
>> listening
>> to something without being tied to a laptop would have been nice.
>>
>> Now guys, the positive thing is that I am currently talking to TNAUK
>> about
>> their talking Internet radio. I can't say anything else at the moment,
>> but
>> I'm in the process of bending their ear and arm (smile). When I know
>> more,
>> I'll certainly post it because I've no intention of being involved in any
>> trial and then not compiling some sort of evaluation review that be for
>> all
>> to read.
>>
>> If anyone has any ideas why these radios do this, I would be fascinated
>> to
>> know. I wonder if the processors aren't as fast, so therefore have
>> smaller
>> memory buffers. But how they sell on that basis, I don't know.
>>
>> Any comments welcome, on or off list.
>>
>> Jackie
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