[access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio

I wonder if a search around on the internet wil find a work around to allow you to use an alternative router? This would probably be illegal of course but it may be the only solution other than wweighting until your contract ends then going for an alternative. As another option, do Sky actually have a games tarriff that allows a faster connection and lower ping rate? they may but of course you would pay more for it. 

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
Andrew, Sky have configured their modems so you can't do much. That's why, if your modem goes down like our one did the other week when the power supply died, we couldn't just use another one. They put everything in it before they send out the unit, and all you have to do is put in the security key when you get it. That is the big disadvantage of having Sky, because it's a combined modem/router and you have no room for manoeuvre. We are also contracted with our broadband from Sky until June, which is why I am looking around meantime. Even though we've been Sky subscribers to the TV package for years and aren't contracted to that, we still are to the broadband service. 

Jackie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ireland" <a.emaillists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:13 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio



Hi Jackie,
Changing stuff in a Sky Router isn't so easy. Just had a look at my mates 
netgear wireless router supplied by Sky.  They must have custom firmware
installed, as half the options to change things are missing!
I suppose downloading the latest firmware for the router would resolve the 
problem.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Cairns
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:17 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio
Oh here Steve you are talking the Dutch, or double Dutch, I am listening to 
on the Internet.  I'll bet you are right, but I don't know how to
re-configure the modem. We can definitely access the web-based page you can
log into that lets us access the modem settings, but unless you understand 
what it all means, pass pass pass!! (big smile).
My son definitely does his crust at the high Ping rate he gets when playing an online match with his friends. He talks about a lag and I won't repeat 
what he calls Sky Broadband either (lol).

As a guideline, Ian put the same Internet radio station on the PC that we
were listening to on the radio. He was well over half a song ahead on the PC, with no drop-out or jumping. I wouldn't have cared about the broadcast being behind ordinarily because if we'd been listening to it on the Internet
radio alone, we wouldn't have known. But it's the drop-out and jumping like
an old vinyl record that really made us say there was something wrong, and 
both radios did it so that kind of ruled them out.

Oh well (sigh).  Buy one and get it going, I know you would too.

Jackie
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio



Hi Jackie,

I am not so sure it is different.  If the ping rate is low on games, it
sounds like you are losing data packets.  My bet is a problem with the
router configuration.  Could be anything like MTU (Maximum Transmittion
Units) setting on the router, or anything like that. I am not so sure it 
is
the radio at all, especially as your PC can buffer a lot better.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Of
Jackie Cairns
Sent: 16 January 2008 20:18
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio

Hi Steve

Ian has scanned the destructions of the Bush, and there appears to be
nothing in the manual about connecting via a PC, nor suggestions in the
trouble-shooting section for any such problems we are experiencing.

I really don't want to give up with this radio thing because I'm getting
sound out of it, though I preferred the Intempo to the Bush. But I can't 
have it keep cutting out and jumping about like a scratched record.  The
longer it is on, the more it does it, which is why I didn't notice it for 
a
little while yesterday.  Everything else on our network is working ok,
apart
from young Ian's Ping when he plays Counter Strike online, but that's a
different issue relating to the gaming server he is using I think.

Hmmm.  Will have to keep plodding away and see what I can come up with.
This getting older stuff is a bad thing (smile).

Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio



Hi Jackie,
Are you sure these radios don't have a browser interface from a PC? They will have an IP address, so you might be able to log into them as you can with a router. You may be able for example, to plug in your radio using 
an
RJ45, configure it, then unplug it.  I am certain it will have an IP
address, as all networking devices do have, but do they have a web-based interface? Check out the instruction bookie with young Ian, and you may 
find you can configure using a PC.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Jackie Cairns
Sent: 16 January 2008 17:46
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio

Hi All

Right, here is the latest on the accessibility of Internet radio.  I've
been
messing around for over a day and have come up against some problems that 
I'll share with you now so you know the score.
Firstly, we picked the Intempo Internet radio from Argos at £119.99. As 
it
happened, it was one of the only choices of five they had in stock, but
it
was my first pick anyway.

The Intempo came with wireless capability, and an ethernet port.  More
importantly, it had 99 presets and a remote control to allow you to key
in
those presets directly.  When Ian turned it on, he told us that the
display
came up with the welcome logo, and then found the network. Of course it 
came up with Sky, and asked for our security key.  Now in answer to
Marie's
question, you have to use the dial to spin it round for each letter or
number you want to key in, then select it.  This is totally useless for
us
by the way.
Once it accepted the security key and proceeded to log onto our network, 
it
asked whether we wanted Windows Media Player or stations.  We selected
the
latter.  Then it wanted to know if we wanted genre or locations, and we
again chose the latter.  There was a massive list of countries, with
Afghanistan at the top of the alphabetical list.  Ian chose the
Netherlands,
and found Sky Radio, which came on after a few minutes of waiting.  If
you
turned off the radio and turned it back on again, it defaulted to the
last
station we were listening to, so that was helpful.

But after initially listening to the station, we started to notice it
cutting off altogether for maybe 30 seconds or so, then coming back on.
Then whatever was playing began to jump like the arm on a record being
moved
over it at random.

Senior Ian checked that this was not happening on Sky Radio using the
Internet on the PC, and it stayed completely steady.  So we tried the
radio
directly using the RJ45, and got the same results. We turned all the PCs 
off and just had the radio running, with the same outcome.

We decided today that we would have to try another radio in case the
Intempo
had a fault.  We knew it couldn't be our connection to the Internet
because
everything else has been working normally. So the only other radio Argos 
had was a Bush at £89.99.  They couldn't give us another Intempo as it
was
the only one they had, but were happy about refunding us our money.

When we brought the Bush home and Ian went through the same procedure,
the
exact same thing started to occur.  This radio has 10 presets and is
wireless only.
So now we have a dilemma. For some unknown reason, both radios, bearing 
in
mind they are different models altogether, do the same thing when they
are
connected to a radio station, whatever that station happens to be.  We
tried
Capital FM and the BBC, but it still did the same with both sets.
I have to be honest and say that these radios are completely inaccessible 
for a non-sighted person to navigate.  Even if you remember that the
radio
asks you for genre or locations, and you manage to remember how many
times
to go up and down the massive list in each category, you are on a hiding 
to
nothing because you don't know any of the stations available.  We knew
this
when we started out, so aren't so much frustrated about that.  What we
had
planned to do is pick a few of our favourites and store them into the
presets.  But if the radios don't have fast enough processors, and keep
dropping out or jumping, I don't know what the pleasure is in all
honesty.
Carol asked why it would not be simpler to just use a PC. I just wanted 
an
Internet radio to be able to move it anywhere away from the computer
without
having it switched on all the time.  For example, lying in bed and
listening
to something without being tied to a laptop would have been nice.

Now guys, the positive thing is that I am currently talking to TNAUK
about
their talking Internet radio.  I can't say anything else at the moment,
but
I'm in the process of bending their ear and arm (smile).  When I know
more,
I'll certainly post it because I've no intention of being involved in any 
trial and then not compiling some sort of evaluation review that be for
all
to read.

If anyone has any ideas why these radios do this, I would be fascinated
to
know.  I wonder if the processors aren't as fast, so therefore have
smaller
memory buffers.  But how they sell on that basis, I don't know.

Any comments welcome, on or off list.

Jackie

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