[340] Re: Some rather lovely thoughts
- From: Luka Mili?a <lmil005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: 340@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:00:50 +1200
nah, i actually like the attention, so dropping the topic wouldnt be as fun for
me, but its a not very significant topic...
so how bout we start chatting about someone else's girls/boys...
wat bout Alvin and his girls? c'mon Alvin... do share... ur among friends here
Quoting davi@xxxxxxxxx:
~=~ making things more complicated makes ppl drop the topic? i was only intri=
~=~ gued=20
~=~ when i saw a whole page's worth of justification on randomness...
~=~ anyway, the topic should be dropped if it makes you happier :)
~=~
~=~ Quoting Luka Mili=9Aa <lmil005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
~=~
~=~ > social interaction should be adressed with a critical pluralist perspec=
~=~ tive,
~=~ > to
~=~ > understand the hidden profile existing below the surface...
~=~ > plus if I complicate the thing, then people will drop the topic more qu=
~=~ ickly
~=~ > and
~=~ > I will be happier...
~=~ >=20
~=~ > Quoting davi@xxxxxxxxx:
~=~ >=20
~=~ > ~=3D~ oh come on. "dancing" with random girls can't be that scientific.=
~=~ no
~=~ > need=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ to=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ justify the randomness of the whole situation.
~=~ > ~=3D~
~=~ > ~=3D~ Quoting Luka Mili=3D9Aa <lmil005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
~=~ > ~=3D~
~=~ > ~=3D~ > Random is a concept that can be understood at three different
~=~ > Habermasi=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ an /=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > Churchmanian levels. Firstly, Thilak's opinion of randomness i=
~=~ s
~=~ > wholly=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ based
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > on his own sincerity, in order to question his understanding on=
~=~ e
~=~ > should=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ =3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > question his sincerity (which can be done, especially with his
~=~ > sarcasm).
~=~ > ~=3D~ > On the social/organisational level we should consider the socia=
~=~ lly
~=~ > acce=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ pted=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > norms of randomness, this is socially constructed, that is, a l=
~=~ evel
~=~ > abo=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ve the
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > personal understanding, it is a shared understanding at the lev=
~=~ el
~=~ > of=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > communities, in this case, the New Zealand society in a given
~=~ > demograph=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ic.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > The randomness is then that as experienced by the society. I t=
~=~ hink
~=~ > tha=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ t the
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > randomness in my case was definitely there, since the girl star=
~=~ ted
~=~ > danc=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ing=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > with me before she even talked to me or anything. Indeed, this =
~=~ was
~=~ > veri=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ fied
~=~ > ~=3D~ > by=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > the odd looks of the other people on the dancefloor.=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > At the technical level, we should consider the definition of ra=
~=~ ndom,
~=~ > i.=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ e.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > it's=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > truthful meaning. Dictionary.com's answer is:
~=~ > ~=3D~ > "Without a governing design, method, or purpose; unsystematical=
~=~ ly:
~=~ > chos=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ e a=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > card at random from the deck."
~=~ > ~=3D~ > While we could assume that there was a general "governing desig=
~=~ n" of
~=~ > pi=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ cking
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > up girls when one goes out clubbing, we could question the rand=
~=~ omness.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > As a summary, the Habermasian perspectives have shown Thilak's
~=~ > argument=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ to be
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > correct/incorrect depengin on the validty claims or guarantors =
~=~ one
~=~ > empl=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ oys.=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > This is not uncommon and is to be expected in most problems occ=
~=~ uring
~=~ > in=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ the=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > social domain. The Habermasian analysis has proven helpful, bu=
~=~ t
~=~ > perhap=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ s,
~=~ > ~=3D~ > more=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > analysis should be employed at the Foucouldian analysis of Thil=
~=~ ak's
~=~ > pos=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ t in=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > the first place.
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > Quoting Thilak Nathen <thilak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
~=~ > ~=3D~ >=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Wuahahhahahaha....a random chick eh? Interesting....whi=
~=~ ch club
~=~ > wu=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ z this
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ again? Get into details man, we want details.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Btw, there is no such thing as random. There's alwiz an
~=~ > algorithm=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ behind
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ it. Hence, I conclude that a random chick is, in fact, =
~=~ not that
~=~ > r=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ andom
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ at all...it's a product of a complex mathematical equat=
~=~ ion
~=~ > calcul=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ated by
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ nature...it's all meant to be man...it's all meant to b=
~=~ e...
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Ask Chee if you don't believe me... :) <---- Note: The =
~=~ smile
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ =3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ -----Original Message-----
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ From: 340-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:340-bounce@freel=
~=~ ists.org]
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ On
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Behalf Of Luka Mili=3D3DB9a
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2004 10:38 p.m.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ To: 340@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Subject: [340] Re: Some rather lovely thoughts
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ oh come on man, leave it...
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ im over random chicks... trying to be all mature here...
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ anyway i dont think there even have been random chicks =
~=~ - more
~=~ > lik=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ e one
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ and=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ thats it...
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ BTW heard back from Unisys?
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ Quoting Tony Yeung <Tony.Yeung@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~=3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Very nice Luka.. now share with us your 'love=
~=~ ly
~=~ > thoughts'=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ about =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ your
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ random chicks @ clubs.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ -----Original Message-----
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ From: Luka Milisa [mailto:lmil005@xxxxxxxxxxx=
~=~ .ac.nz]
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Sent: Wednesday, 23 June 2004 4:30 p.m.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ To: 340 list
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Subject: [340] Some rather lovely thoughts
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Inspiring speech by the CEO of COCA COLA:
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ "Imagine Life as a game in which you are jugg=
~=~ ling some
~=~ > fi=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ve balls
~=~ > ~=3D~ > =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ in
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ the
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ air".
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ You name them - work, family, health, friends=
~=~ and spirit
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ and =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ you're
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ keeping all
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ of these in the air. You will soon understand=
~=~ that work
~=~ > i=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ s a =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ rubber
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ ball. If
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ you drop it, it will bounce back. But the oth=
~=~ er four
~=~ > ball=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ s - =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ family,
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ health,
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ friends and spirit - are made of glass. If yo=
~=~ u drop one
~=~ > o=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ f these,
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ they
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ will be
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ irrevocably scuffed, marked, nicked, damaged =
~=~ or even
~=~ > shat=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ tered. =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ They
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ will never
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ be the same. You must understand that and str=
~=~ ive for
~=~ > bala=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ nce in =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ your
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ life.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ How?
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't undermine your worth by comparing yours=
~=~ elf with
~=~ > oth=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ers. It =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ is
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ because we
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ are different that each of us is special.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't set your goals by what other people dee=
~=~ m
~=~ > important.=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ Only you
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ know
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ what is
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ best for you.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't take for granted the things closest to =
~=~ your heart.
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ Cling to
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ them
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ as you
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ would your life, for without them, life is me=
~=~ aningless.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't let your life slip through your fingers=
~=~ by living
~=~ > i=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ n the =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ past
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ or
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ for the
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ future. By living your life one day at a time=
~=~ , you live
~=~ > a=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ll the =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ days
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ of
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ your
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ life.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't give up when you still have something t=
~=~ o give.
~=~ > Noth=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ing is
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ really
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ over
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ until the moment you stop trying.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't be afraid to admit that you are less th=
~=~ an perfect.
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ It is =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ this
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ fragile
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ thread that binds us together.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't be afraid to encounter risks. It is by =
~=~ taking
~=~ > chanc=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ es that =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ we
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ learn how to
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ be brave.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't shut love out of your life by saying it=
~=~ 's
~=~ > impossibl=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ e to find
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ time.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ The
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ quickest way to receive love is to give; the =
~=~ fastest way
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ to lose
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ love is
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ to
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ hold it too tightly; and the best way to keep=
~=~ love is to
~=~ > =3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ give it
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ wings.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't run through life so fast that you forge=
~=~ t not only
~=~ > w=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ here =3D3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ you've
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ been, but
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ also where you are going. Don't forget, a per=
~=~ son's
~=~ > greate=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ st
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ emotional
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ need is
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ to feel appreciated.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't be afraid to learn. Knowledge is weight=
~=~ less, a
~=~ > trea=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ sure you
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ can
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ always
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ carry easily.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Don't use time or words carelessly. Neither c=
~=~ an be
~=~ > retrie=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ ved.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ Life is not a race, but a journey to be savou=
~=~ red each
~=~ > ste=3D
~=~ > ~=3D~ p of the
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ way.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~ You only get one go at life, it is not a rehe=
~=~ arsal.
~=~ > ~=3D~ > ~=3D3D~ ~=3D3D3D~=3D3D20
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